Transcript for #984 - Yvette d'Entremont

Yeah, yeah. That's something get, get yourself to a physical therapist.

Do you? It's, I smoke more than the average scientist. My boyfriend is director of R&D at a pot lab.

There is some pot kicking around on a regular basis.

Yeah, I think they're wrong, but they mean well.

Daniel, David Palmer, so he started out.

And I mean, we, this article that we wrote, we sent this through, I mean, normally my articles I go through, at least, you know, two editors give or take. This one we put through, I believe, three editors, a fact checker and our lawyer to make sure that we were bulletproof on it, because we wanted to make sure that we, you know, that we didn't say anything that could get us sued. basically and a lot of the information from this came directly from his book from his own book so we weren't taking anything out of context one of the quotes on how chiropractic started came directly from the book and he after after cracking a half deaf persons or a deaf person.

He claimed that he cracked a deaf person's back and restored his healing, or his hearing. Now, a couple of things could have happened here. Either one, there was no actual medical consent given because his person was deaf. So I'm sure how that came about. to he didn't actually restore the hearing because there are no nerves in the spine connected to your hearing. Or three, this guy is just lying. Like there's there are a couple, you know, and we're not sure what happened. But he, like there are still, and you know, chiropractic could have done a few things with this. They could have disavowed what happened and said, you know, we still have a system by which we can really try to relieve pain through spine manipulation. But no, there are still articles out today from chiropractors today. that tried to claim that yes indeed he did restore hearing because I'm like no could you guys just maybe back down on some of the nut of your claims because there there is some some minor evidence that you can relieve back pain lower back pain with spinal manipulation and there are there are uh... caros that are trying to be science based with this but the history of it is so ridiculous and they try to back down on nothing And that's not how science works. Science works with the newest evidence and it tries to figure out what's real and what's not. And they try to double down on all the craziest stuff. And I think there are chiroes that are trying to fix the field. Maybe and say, you know, spinal manipulation can help with back pain. But that's not what this claims. It claims that you can fix everything in the body through these vertebral subluxations that have never been shown. What is a subluxation? So there are two terms being used here. And chiropractic uses it incorrectly and in medicine we use it correctly. So the actual medical term means that a joint pops out halfway. So you have a dislocation which is a complete separation of a joint basically. And a sublexation is a partial dislocation. I know because they happen to my shoulder. They're a fun party trick. I'll spare you. But a sublexation in the chiropractic sense, they use this medical term kind of incorrectly. They say that your spine can be somewhat out of joint basically. And it causes all your health problems. Like your pancreas is malfunctioning because your spine is out of alignment. And it's That's never been proven to happen and they claim that they can put you into a state of health by massaging your back.

Yep and he was he was a magnetic killer now magnetic healing like you can still see at the store these little like knee braces that have magnets and it guys save your money just get a regular old knee brace if you feel any any relief from one of those magnetic braces it's just from the brace it's not the fucking magnets yeah exactly placebo effects or I mean the placebo effect is a real thing you can get some relief from that but don't

Absolutely. I mean, they're doing, yes, exactly. They're doing some massage along with what they're doing and some of them.

Yep, and there are studies that show people who go to a massage therapist or a massage practitioner. 10 to get more relief than people who go to to a chiropractor. So please go to a massage therapist go to a to a physical therapist those are those are your science based practitioners chiropractic. It started out of bullshit and it stayed directly in bullshit.

podiatry is like an actual science of studying the foot and some of them are I could be wrong on this someone go ahead and please fact check me I believe some of them are polyactric surgeons like they have to know all the anatomy of the feet in order to treat actual foot conditions they are like these are part of the medical system Chiropractic works kind of separately, and on theories that I've never been proven to work, they can't even do imaging. I believe something like half of Chiropractic clinics don't even have X-rays. So how can they show you 100% for sure that what they're claiming is happening in your back isn't happening. And I read, I mean, these are statistics that I found straight from Chiropractic websites, from their organizations. And I had this referenced in the article, blanking on which place had this one of the chiropractic boards that does large-scale surveys you know within chiropractic uh about half there were a lot of places a lot of people I'm sure said to you but my chiropractor is good my chiropractor doesn't do the bullshit stuff and a lot of my friends said that too they said no they just cracked my back they don't try to sell me any bullshit supplements about half of chiropractors do the bullshit stuff. They do the extra the extraneous wellness stuff. So when if you have a if you're playing Russian roulette and you have a 50% chance of getting a bullshit or getting a bullet, are you going to do that? No, like that's I don't want a 50% chance of having a bullshit doctor who's like, well, maybe your cold's really a German, you know, maybe it's a bullet.

But he's talking about, and this is what you're getting with chiropractic. You're getting a bullshit doctor. And it's even if you're not a doctor.

It's, they go to, they go to Kyra practice schools. Now, one of the biggest Kyra practice schools in the country is Palmer, Kyra practice college, and that's named for D. Palmer, the guy who launched, launched this bevy of Bullshit on us, and he's made after that guy named after the guy who claimed to heal the deaf guy. And it's one of, one of my, now this is crazy. So it was gonna be a fun story by fun. I mean, horrifying, one of the guys I went to undergrad with went to Palmer, Kyra practice college. Now, the acceptance rate, 100%. tuition $34,000 a year to learn how to crack baby spines. Now, the guy I went to college with.

Some, some do. No, it is a growing field in chiropractic.

Yeah, no, here's here are the two things I've heard. One is is that it's so gentle. It wouldn't even bruise a tomato skin. Then why are you doing it? Why? No, the other thing they say is bullshit. Yeah, it's because they can they can charge parents. That's right. The other thing they say is, well, from doing that, you because and this is this This infuriates me so much. They say from manipulating the spine because the spine has, you know, within those bones, they have the spinal column and the nerves control everything in the body. And so from simulating the nerves, you can give the infant all the immunity it needs to not need their vaccinations. And that's why I get really, oh yeah, they claim the shit.

This is, no, this is, I understand this is not all chiropractors, but the American Chiropractic Association. This is fairly well-sighted within the article. The American Chiropractic Association, they are generally anti-drug. They want to use the least amount of intermedical interventions possible. And chiropractors are not in most states in this country. They are not cleared to either prescribe or give vaccination. So if you can manage to get a family to come into you for pretty much all of their medical needs, that increases your bottom line and it stops, you know, and you can just say we can do everything for you.

And I mean one of there's one state in this country I believe it was Wisconsin where they were trying to get chiropractors to be able to give pre-sports physicals and in in some cases the pre-sports physical is the only time all year when a student will see a doctor so this is this is infuriating so like whenever a doctor and I mean this is like you can look at the ACS website there is a put a couple links to it in the article where they say you know there They're not very pro-vaccine. I mean, their language on it is under the condition of freedom of choice, medical choice, and it's like they don't say straight out vaccines don't work. They're bad for you, but they're kind of, they're wishy-washy on it, and they're not, they don't say vaccines work and you should get them. But a couple of chiropractors will try to say, we don't need vaccines. We can increase your immune system. We can increase your immunity by, you know, pressing our spine.

Zero evidence and I'm like do we a favor? Tell me which spine which part of the spine you press on to give a child immunity to measles and polio give me tell me give me the titers test that child's titers to show me that they're immune to polio now from you touching their goddamn spine. Maybe I it's like how about this? How about I'll punch you in the back? I'm not going to punch a chiropractor. How about I just you know not just give you a few little like little pokes in the back and then you're going to be immune to smallpox just just Let me know how that works, but I can't get behind a system that has no evidence and tells me it's going to make children immune to deadly diseases.

It's such a good story, isn't it? People love a story that says that you can heal them without taking dangerous drugs. And at the time,

It's really, it's partially because of when it came up because we only found out 50 years after this that frontal lobotomies were a bad fucking idea and that the little mind was going to kill babies. So we were really fucking bad at medicine when this came up and we're we're way better at it now but we still don't have the answers to everything and that's kind of, I don't want to say a failure of the medical system but it's just a sign of where we are now. So think about the number of people who have sent us anecdotes saying, you know, I was in miserable pain and my chiropractor was the only thing that worked. And it's like maybe you needed to get to physical therapy for longer term pain. But these people that are still going to their chiroes, it means they're still in pain. And they should go to a physical therapist for, you know, a couple months of therapy that will eventually strengthen their backs and take care of those issues and, you know, get a massage. But they're going to their Cairo because medical has not said, you know, we don't have a tricorder that can scan you, show the exact thing and say, here's the exact medicine drug and thing that will fix you. It's kind of, and I hate to use this term, but it's out of the failures of the medical system that something like this has shown up. So we're not perfect at medicine yet. And that's why alternative medicine swoops in with bullshit.

I got a foam roller for 20 bucks that I can lend you. I'll crack your back really well.

There was some lobbying, and I don't think I put the sense of the article, but there was a lot of lobbying from chiropractors in, I believe, the 70s that pushed the American Medical Association and the insurance companies as a whole to kind of accept them as being medically part of the system and that that's part of why more and more insurance companies now will cover them and accept them and even though like most doctors won't like a lot of doctors won't refer you they'll kind of be like well you can look into Cairo like there's there's still from a lot of doctors pushback but there's a little bit more coverage now is because of a lot of lobbying the sevenies

It's precisely. Like the big thing is that, I mean, if they were just claiming we can reduce your back pain. If that was the only thing they claimed, I probably wouldn't have written the article, you know? But what they're claiming is that they can fix all of your health by realigning these vertebral subluxations, which have never been proven to exist.

I think it's just moving around air bubbles like I mean tiny little bits of bubbles and yeah, they are like they're I don't think realigning is the right word, but you know they're they're doing they're moving around your back in a way that it kind of natural moves because you can kind of move and twist in your back will pop but like They're doing some manipulation of things that kind of naturally happened to a spine with, you know, with a tiny little bit, I mean, tiny bit of degeneration with age. I think, like, I'm not exactly the right expert to explain this type of thing. An osteopath would be a better person to explain this, because there's, there are people who are a little better at spinal manipulation than a chiropractor, which is a DO, an osteopath. So in this country, we have MDs and DOs, and they both can practice medicine. Dr. Vasya, Dr. Vasya, I believe that's the correct term. And my doctor is actually, my primary care is an osteopath. And he's given me a spine manipulation and once when my back was killing me and we had no idea what it was and it turned out I had a broken rib, which was not a good time to do a spinal manipulation. You've got a rib broken right on your spine. But it was like, The difference is an osteopath never claims that they're cracking your back.

They're giving you, they're giving you your vaccines. They're doing, you know, they're going, wow, there's something wrong with your, with your ovary. We're going to send you to a guy in a college. It's like they're, they're doing all the things a doctor should do for your health. And if your back is in pain, they'll say, do you want to try an manipulation? They're not pushing that. that's a part of their care, and they try to do science-based manipulations for the potential help of back relief, but they don't want to do that long term. They do it minimally. At least that's been my experience with it, and it seems to be, there still seems to be, I'd say, at best, weak evidence that it helps with back pain.

Like I said, and also just rest in time. Yes, rest, ice, anti-inflammatory.

Yeah, and I mean, I think that I think it's funny that things that chiropractors add into it because like one of the things that they went into in this in this article because we we really like diving deep on some of the things that we investigate and it's like I try I like I'll admit I'm biased when I go in because I go after a lot of Kind of some of the naturally things and I'm not I'm not I'm not anti natural like I'm not 100% against like go into homey of path. Yeah, like homey is because we can We can go into some of it's real, right?

Garlic good for your heart, ginger. I love like when I have a stomach ache, I'll go for ginger before I go for remedies at work. It's there. There are some herbal remedies that I'm like absolutely keeping your in your cabinet. I'm not against them, but I'm against people taking things without evidence and I think that's the thing like try try absolutely to look for the hard evidence before you waste your money and I think that's the thing that people have fallen into because they'll say oh, it's natural. It's better. It's like is it because polio's natural. I don't think it's very good for you like, but I know I know that's a straw man fully aware of it, but I also think that people should should ask for evidence and you never know I asked for it to man did before you give somebody your money and that's what people haven't done with climate factors and that is the very good point And it's, you know, I think people deserve evidence. And that's, and I think that's something that hasn't been out in the public sphere. Like there was an article I was trying to write a while ago. I forget the exact topic, but one of my editors, you know, sending it back to me for edit. She's like, I've read that. She, her comment back was, well, I've been reading this a lot online. A lot of people have been saying this. I'm like, a lot of people have been saying is not evidence. That's the exact opposite of it. Like, I'm like here, I put in the peer review data on this.

That's not, that's, and I mean, this is why I like the editor of some working with now quite a bit.

there is one thing I've heard of and this isn't this is why I'd say don't go to a chiropractor because we don't know you don't know what you're going to walk into but I have heard a couple of cases of times this being the case where a chiropractor at first they go to school for physical therapy and then they find they can't open their own clinic even if they've got like an MBA and a physical therapy background they're like how do I open my own clinic and they realize if they just go to school for chiropractic they can do the physical therapy work they want to and offer a spinal manipulation on the side

How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic? How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic? How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic? How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic? How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic?

I do they do learn some anatomy, but it's like they also learn some you know bullshit along with it. So I'm like I wonder and I mean this isn't I get it. This isn't all chiropractors obviously, but like I know and it's hard to figure out which one you're going to walk into that's going to be a bullshit artist and not. So like I did want it like this isn't this wasn't the point I was going to bring up an article that was going to have a specific point of view, but like I know there are some out there that say I, you know, I want to give people physical therapy. I want to strengthen up their spine. I want to get them out of here in less pain so that if they enter themselves again, they know they can come back to me and trust me with their spine and also give them some relief while we're fixing them. So, you know, this is a thing that happens, but I don't think it's all the time. It's, by means, clearly not all the time. So, you know, you're going to have some really moral people in every field. And you're going to have some really fucked up ones in every field. Like, we were one of the things we touched on in the article, were these very social media savvy people. And this is something that drives me fucking crazy. You have to hunt and peck through their websites to find that they say that they're a chiropractor. They just say, doctor everywhere. doctor and they're giving they're giving recipe ideas and they're giving and they're talking about the adrenal glands and the adrenal glands I don't they're not anywhere near close the spine and this is a thing that they're talking about I'm like the adrenal glands are they're part of the talking about manipulating the spine to help the adrenal glands They're talking about one of the things to talk about a lot is adrenal fatigue syndrome, which has never been proven to be a thing. It's not recognized as a disorder anywhere within the medical care system. Now, you can have a couple of different disorders of the adrenal gland. You have a cushion syndrome. There are a couple of different things that can go wrong with your adrenal glands. There are little glands that sit on top of the kidneys. But this is, I mean, the specialty, I believe, well, that's like having a blonde moment on the words, but like there's, or on the subspecialty, but the specialty for which you're going to study, the adrenal glands isn't even as specialty that chiropractic has. So it's like if you want to know about your, if you're having issues with that, it's like, The things that chiropractors seem to harp on right now are a lot with immunology or a lot with, sorry, just having a complete blonde moment on this. But there are specialties that chiropractors seem to harp on a lot lately. And it seems to be the type of things that are very nebulous and very hard to nail down when someone's having an issue with it. And these are things that chiropractors just don't have the training in.

And there, basically, all the type of advice they're giving is take all these herbs, you know, even alkaline diet, which is, again, bullshit. There's, one of my favorite things with the alkaline diet is they're always like, drink lemon water. I'm like, that's acidic, which I might know from my chemistry degree.

Which is, I mean, like, and that's the premise of it. But it's like the, Here's the thing, your body's pH is really tightly controlled. Your blood is between, I think, 7.35 and 7.55 different organ systems have a fairly tightly controlled pH. You're in can vary a little bit depending on what you've consumed, but there's a tightly controlled pH within your body. If you suddenly have a pH of 10, which is fairly alkaline, They're, your friends are, your friends are going to miss you at your funeral, hopefully. Um, so that's, that's what I got on that.

Yeah, I mean, if you're suddenly, because, you know, that's an alkaline pH. If you're suddenly really, really alkaline, we're, we're going to miss you.

Uh, shrinking a bunch of lie? I don't know. Like, don't. I mean, you're like, there's something really wrong with your ability to filter things out of your body if you're suddenly like, that's just, it's just not a thing that happens to a healthy human. If you're all of a sudden really alkaline, but this diet won't do it, especially when the things that they're recommending are like lemons. Like, and one of the things they say is, oh, well, your body takes that acidic fruit and turns it alkaline. I'm like,

Like, yeah, there are, there haven't shown to be, you know, links between lower, lower body fat and lower incidence of cancer, which is, you know, that's a good thing. Losing weight, if you're, if you're overweight and you're having medical problems from it, overall good thing. But there's no, uh, shown link between, uh, between this specific diet and a lower incidence of cancer or any other disorders. Uh, but it's just, like, it's just one of those things.

It's, but I might have, I might have said some mean things about Gwyneth Poucher.

Is now one of those things. I call them pussy rocks.

If you want to strengthen it just two kegels around a dick, that's my that's my method.

She has proof that bullshit sells way better than science. I do not have her salary.

That's a surprise. Apparently the residuals on the Iron Man movies just weren't enough for her.

Oh my god. I'm in the wrong industries apparently I need to start selling some fancy motherfuckin stickers.

I'm curious about them just because like I haven't looked into them enough and I know they're kind of their new ish, you know, into the settlement market. So like I kind of want to look into them and I don't know enough to comment.

I'm going to the powder was said, like, when she was on a camel a few weeks ago, and he was like, so how does this work? Eventually, just came out and said, I don't know how any of the shit works. It's like, yeah, because you're selling rocks for your pussy.

She's, she's a CEO, and she's apparently in all the meetings for it.

That's what makes me feel. That's what makes me feel.

And I mean, here's the thing, I think that like the reason I'm a fan of at least some amount of government regulation on supplements is to stop on very unscrupulous claims because especially with some of the supplement industry, there are claims that these are that there are certain things on or it's sorry in a package and after some independent testing you'll find that some of the some packages don't have what they claim in there like in some it was something like a third of supplement packages didn't have any of the ingredients and they're or they had less of it and I'm like that's not that's not good for the consumer so I wish there was a way to regulate it a little bit better at least

It's things like fentanyl have some very limited purposes. Like I've been put on fentanyl for pre surgery before.

I remember about 30 seconds and I was told I threw up while I was under and I don't remember. Yeah, I know I know that I can't have fentanyl but it's that was they just put you on to put you out. But that's like that's one of very few ethical applications of fentanyl. I mean it depends on like I did my master's thesis on prescription opioid abuse trends and times of color So this is a sphere that I know pretty well, but this is that's kind of one of the things with painkillers is that there's there are ethical prescribing practices with their ethical ways to manage patient use of it and then they're really horribly unethical ways that it can be prescribed and managed over time and this is something that the FDA hasn't managed well that's something that a lot of doctors haven't managed well and it's like we I mean we started this when we were when they were like let's go on a marketing campaign for oxy gondon and it just kept getting worse from there it was like there's there has to be a better way to manage what we're doing right now with it and it's not being done yet so yeah obviously this is nothing to do with going to pal tropic but

The other question is how much of a vitamin do you need? And I think the people, you know, buy vitamins indiscriminately, because we really don't, like the average person doesn't need to take a multivitamin in the day if they're eating, you know, a healthy diet, because you get pretty much what you need on a daily basis. If you're not somebody with an absorption issue, if you're not somebody with any, like any dietary issues, you're generally getting what you need out of your diet. I think people do need to.

Well, most people are getting about what they need out of their diet. Most people. Seriously. America.

Well, no, it's even if you go to the doctor and get average person, I'm guessing you eat fairly healthy. Yeah. But the average person that they go to the doctor to see if they're deficient on everything on anything, they're not going to be deficient on anything.

Now, I've been before, but that was right when I was diagnosed with celiac disease. So I was, I was deficient in a few things, but you know, that's an issue with we have an issue absorbing food.

So I mean, now, well, now that I've been, it was, I was at the skinniest point in my life, and then I stopped eating wheat and I gained wheat. So, because suddenly you're, you're like, kind of, you know, they, they heal and you're able to absorb calories.

I mean, I got quote unquote lucky. I only got symptoms when I was an adult.

No problem. No problem. And I mean, I was even overweight as a kid. So then when I was an adult, suddenly horrible symptom showed up. Just how does that work?

Celia can show up or the symptoms of it can like you always have the underlying physiology or um and just all of a sudden symptoms can just show up.

I mean I kind of I had a bunch of health issues because it's kind of show up in my 20s and I mean I started I'm like all right I got to start taking care of myself started going to the gym ran a few marathons lost a lot of weight and Like, even when I was suddenly at a healthy weight, it was like, I couldn't stop losing weight because my, uh, my intestines just weren't absorbing anything. And that's not a, that's not a thing you see coming. You're like, I'm at a healthy, why isn't this stopping? And it was, it was not good. But, you know, eventually, it was funny because the gluten trend, or the anti-glutant trend, had already shown up and a doctor suggested to me, well, if you tried going gluten free, and I'm like, oh, that's a silly fad three months later. I'm like if I hadn't been so skeptical of everything.

Well, there doesn't seem, here's things, tests keep showing. There doesn't seem to be a problem with gluten if you don't have celiac disease.

It's right. Everything converts to sugar. Your body converts everything in some way shape or form into usable fuel and the usable fuel is, you know, eventually glucose or NADPH. There's everything in your body gets converted to sugar when you use fuel.

Yes, this is true because all calories aren't the same.

But avoiding gluten and switching over to say, you know, all rice isn't, you know, that's not going to change for all that much in your body in terms of what's in terms of the biochemical mischief, unless you have a gluten allergy. Like, that's, you know, or not the allergy.

Well, here's at this point and this is why I always say at this point in our scientific knowledge because scientific knowledge can evolve when we can learn new things. You know at one point the thing that started off the whole gluten trend was a kind of poorly poorly designed study where they had a small sample size of people and they designed it just to test you know gluten versus a non a diet without gluten and they came to the conclusion that about 20% of people just based on this very small study had a bad reaction to gluten now and well and these people I came in saying they had stomach problems. Now, these people, they looked at it and said, there's no, afterwards, a sign to sell stuff, I can said, why are we only about 1% of people having celiac disease? And then all of a sudden 20% of people are running around, like, gluten's making their dick flies off. This is, there's something up here. So they made a better design study and they took out common, they did, you know, kind of double blind did a better design set to say we're going to take out all these other causes of gastrointestinal distress and we're going to try to make this double blind and they figured out it was the fod map so it was they were these short chain illegal saccharide second pole water into the gut and cause some gastrointestinal distress and it was really closer to between like one and about five percent of people that were having any issues with gluten now the problem is what was causing that though the gastrointestinal stress in the one to five percent. Yeah. So one percent is celiac disease for sure.

That is fairly high. Now here's a thing that that higher percent of people that two to five. Here's the question. Now there's still to figure out why some people seem to have an issue with gluten. Now I could be wrong. This is just off the top of my head. It's what I remember from the study, but I've had to cite it a few times. So I think my knowledge is accurate. feel free to check me out at home. But the thing with those extra percent, they're trying to figure out why they might have an issue with gluten because they, you know, like wheat is, you know, you think of it as a carb heavy thing, right? And gluten is approaching. That other few percentage of people are trying to figure out why the gluten does it, because gluten is in a few other things. It's in barley, raw, and dry. So what they've figured out is that this is the going theory right now. Gluten can cause a small reaction in the stomach where you produce this protein called zonulin that can cause an increase in inflammation. This seems to be, and this is only been one study that I've read on it. It seems to be relatively new. They're still looking into it. So there's a chance that people might be in the two to five percent that can't handle it because of that. It could be another component of the wheat barley rye that's causing it. But gluten in and of itself, it's not, you know, it's unless you are one of those people that has an actual reaction to it, perfectly fine. Go on to have, you know, go have a sandwich. So, but, you know, if you want one,

Yeah.

And it's fun. I think one of the funny parts of that is like, is that back in the day when that was made, I think slices of bread were much smaller. I think that's part of it because I just think people didn't know as much back then. Well, I think that's part. I think there are a few things that are going on with it. One is that we're really bad at counting calories and we were chatting a little bit before we showed up. is that there are, they now have a way of tracking how many calories people take in a day through this drink that can, I forget exactly how it works, but you can take a drink and it will count the number of calories you've had in about the last 24 hours. And they've found. I forget exactly how it works. It's all fine. I'll shoot you the article after this, but this was, it was God, I need to find this article. But it was, they could do this and they were tracking how registered dietitians versus, you know, the average Joe would, you know, count down how many calories you had in a day. a registered dietician who, you know, really well-trained on diatetic type stuff versus average person counting their calories. The dietician was off by about 200 calories. Average person was off by about 500. What they were guessing about what they were.

But think about it. If you're trying to lose weight and you're the average person and you're off by 500 calories and that's how and you're supposed to, you know, in the course of a week to lose one pound, you're supposed to have a 500 calorie caloric deficit. There's your deficit. It's not there anymore. So people are really bad at tracking their calories and they're really bad at knowing what a portion size is. So one of the best ways I've seen from like the personal trainers that I that I confer with is weighing out your food. It's much harder to make a mistake.

Yeah, and it's, here's one of the other things, like I don't think carbs as, you know, in and of themselves are evil. I think you have to burn what you take in and you have to balance your carbs, your fats, your proteins, and you'll be okay. And it really depends on what you're doing for exercise. And a lot of people overestimate how much they move under, or under, yeah, overestimate how much they move under, estimate how much they eat. And like I'm friends with a lot of people in the fitness community, a lot of weight lifters and depends on what they're doing. If they're on a bulk, they're calories will go up to 3,000 if they're on a cut. They're like, I'm on poverty carbs right now, so it's like 50 carbs over the course.

It's funny because during the year when they're not training for a competition, it looks fine. And then when they're like six weeks out from a competition, it's like, they're like, I have a cup of water a day. I'm like, how are you? This is not good for you.

their kidneys are like that close to passing to to to go away. It's not good.

It's the rest of the year though. They eat and I mean it's my my trainer is a is a bodybuilder and it's like what he has me on for for weight loss isn't that crazy. It's about 1600 calories a day. Okay, balance of proteins, carbs and fats, and it's like at first he had me on a much higher amount of carbs. I'm like, he's not eating.

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Lifting has been a little easier on my joints actually Yeah, it's I mean, I have it's I have a kind of a bit of a joint condition So they're a condition. It's they they pop parway out of the socket and was out from it's it's called you're hearing all of my medical stuff. I apologize. It's called Ella Stanley syndrome. Do you do you want to see it or no? You can do it. Yeah, I can pop my shoulder half way out. Okay. Let's see. So most people in the stretch, they stop like here right

Yeah. But it had, like, this one's had three.

If you can see it's popping a little bit right there, but yeah, it's like my hip pops part way out, depending on who I can't.

Yeah, like the more weightlifting I do, the less popping it does. It's been, I mean, this is way less bad than it was a few months ago before, like you could visibly see the pop, like you can still feel it, but it's, there's, the problem with being hypermobile like that is your you leave yourself open to a lot of different injuries from you know from like basic movement can make something snap and it's

Yeah, I mean it's not it's not always the case the back injuries come from that like sometimes it's just you did like your your disc was done kind of degenerate that was written into that was written into your life before like your it's my boyfriend did nothing to to screw up his back and just a disarray to degenerating and he was a he was a rock climber and there was no known injury just it happened and you know it's like

I mean, those are all really valid questions. And it's like, there's, you, you never know what, like, it's, you never know what's going to be the cause of it beforehand. That's why preventative medicine is horrible. That's why I always say, get to the gym and lift some weights. It will at least, if they're, if you're someone who is prone to having a issue because, you know, there are some people who are prone to it.

Well, in my case, I have scoliosis as a part of the, as a part of the standard.

That's why I say prone to it because you don't a lot of times prone to disc degeneration. Or not.

Because that degenerative disc disease. I don't know. I don't Well, that's actually I'm not sure that's a very disputed thing. Yeah, I'm much I really don't know off top of my head. So I don't know if that's if that's something that you're if that's written to your DNA or if that's something that you injure and it just gets worse.

Yeah, I'd love to see how that pans out.

Yeah, I mean, like the the biggest issue I have is that I have a and I mean, it's not a bad enough case of scoliosis where I need surgery or a back brace. It's just enough to be inconvenient. So it's like, I'm my big thing I'm doing is all right, if I can lift and keep my back strong, it will stop me from having surgery eventually and back surgery is just almost never a good thing to hear because they're always Like, when you fix something surgically, they're just almost always complications, especially with your back. So I'm like, if I can keep rod out of my back, I'll be very happy.

Yeah, that's that's what I'd probably end up with because like middle of my back it just kind of goes near and I'm like this is not something I do yoga I've been told you it's something I love yoga and I've been told it's not good for people with I understand though, so I'm like I've been told that by my my rheumatologist and it's like that's like but I there's still some yoga moves I do just be at the end of my workout because they feel they feel great to stretch out my back and they feel like they strengthen my core quite a bit.

Because of how like I because of how hypermobile I am like it's I'll do downward dog and it doesn't even feel like it stretches me because I'm the hyper because I'm so flexi to start with

Why would that be bad? I got nothing.

Welcome to a really weird disorder.

And it's a thing where it's like, Ella Stanless is a weirdo disorder. Like, you're basically your collagen is not able to heal itself or stay kind of in shape as it used to. Or it's okay to deadlift. It's deadlift has been fine. Like, I got, and it's partially, you know, you're, it's partially that you're not stretching, you're, you're strengthening, or you're, I don't know how else to phrase it, you're not. you're not stretching your body into weird positions, you're, you're tensing everything.

No, it's like, here's a, you have an F, you have a really good point. And I don't, this is just what I've been told from a doctor who, in, in all honesty, I don't know how well he knows how they're stainless, because it's a rare disorder.

And it's weird because the things they've told me to do seem so much more intense than yoga. Like what? It's, I mean, I've been told go ahead and bike, go ahead and deadlift, go ahead and, and for fuck's sake, they've told me I can rock climb, which is a thing, like, that's one of my other exercises, things. But yoga, they've said is off limits. And it's been known yoga.

I think the reason is because they know how flexible I started at. So they think I'm going to pull something out more because of how much I'll push the condition that's already there. And I think that's the concern.

Yeah, and it's very it's I find it really strengthening like and I was surprised because like I used to I used to be kind of that runner chick who was like I don't have time for yoga. It's boring and then I started trying it of all people my boyfriend tried dragged me to a yoga class with him and I I left and I'm like I'm destroyed that was the hardest thing I've ever fucking done It's very hard. Oh my god, my arms were dead afterwards.

It's oh god. So my, like my editor and this is the editor that I worked with at Gawker at Cosmo and now she's, you know, at the outline and I love writing there. And we talked about doing one on Chiro's for ages and we got to the outline and it was like, What do we have on the table for next month? She's like, why don't you hire us? I'm like, fuck, yes I do.

Before I wrote the article, I knew that the guy who had, I knew that a lot of chiroes did a lot of crazy things. I knew they adjusted infants that they had I knew about the vertebral subluxation theory and that that was bullshit. And I knew that a lot of them on social media were crazy. Like one of the people I reported on was Billy Demos. And he, the he thinks Cam trails are real. He's a, he's a whole cluster of fucks. And he, and so. Oh, my God. Like it's some of the, some of the, like if you, If he's a chemtrail guy, if your board go if your board go for like go for ten minutes and read up on Billy Demos he's fun and it's just he's and it's funny because I was not I'll get into that in a minute, but like we I learned a lot doing this because I didn't realize that Dee Dee Palmer the guy who invented it He he got most of his information from doing sciences with a dead doctor that blew my mind I'm like I had to I'm like I know it's late and I'm a little high right now, but I had to have hallucinated that like you know read it again the next morning I'm like nope that's for real like it was and nobody in chiropractic questions this

And you're $300,000 in and you can't leave. So I got two emails from chiropractors. And I, it's like I couldn't, you know, put their names out publicly. But I got two emails from chiropractors and I checked in and I'm like these are indeed chiropractors I went to their websites. They were absolutely on the level that said they went to chiropractors school and partway through they realized it was all shit. One of them even said they wouldn't refer people to a chiropractor. like it was nutty and one of the guys he sent me to a forum for like in which chiropractors bitch about the field of chiropractic. What do they say? They're like, and they were like, which part of this is bullshit? Do you guys believe in the virtual sub-exation theory? And they're like, no, sub-exations don't exist. Like, you know, if you want to do this ethically, just, you know, take people in who have injuries, try to do some physical therapy, get them stronger and get them out and as few sessions as you can.

Yeah and like it's funny because they'll occasionally pass by a chiropractic clinic where I see them saying back injuries, work injuries, you know sports physical therapy and I'm like okay if I ever wanted to go to a chiropractor because I lost my mind and couldn't find a physical therapist that's the type I would go to but you know if you ever see them advertising magic crystals and or a healing fucking run run like this is there are a few of them out there and I looked at one of the guys websites who emailed me and there was an FAQ it's like you have to keep coming back forever no we try to get you out in a few sessions as possible I'm like oh I have hope but like there's there's a woman who's still like the basis of it as bullshit it's like even if you're trying to get me out as few sessions as possible still like but there was a it's funny there's a woman her name is Brittany Hermes she was she went to school to be a natural path and she graduated became a natural path and she realized after a short period of time that it was all bullshit like natural pathic doctor and she's like we can't actually treat people we have to send people to real doctors the advice we're giving is all based on misdirection and complete shit and I I I'm so in awe of the fact that she went through this. She, like, and these people, one of the things they said was, you know, I was in all this debt. I figured just, you know, I'm like, Paul Haggis, you know, I'm already here. Mayors will keep going. Britt said, you know, it doesn't matter. I realized I was in a profession based on bullshit. I had to leave.

I have to get my money back from my student loans. And I'm like, you know what, you could have gone, like you weren't, you can get like, and I mean, I say this is someone who got one to a lot of debt for my real degree. Go and get another degree if you're smart enough to have gotten at least your undergrad before you went to Palmer Chiropractic.

I believe so given that it's a doctorate program now one of the guys that I went to undergrad with now he was he was smart he had a biology degree and he was there on scholarship he was one of the smarter kids in the bioprogram like there was there was he could have gotten a real doctorate if you wanted he went to Palmer you know same school as some of the in this article, and it was funny, like one of my editor that I worked with on this piece asked me, so the doctors that you're concentrating on on this piece, are they the exception to the norm? Is this how regular chiropractors work? I'm like, let me go look at my friend from colleges, a little chiropractic page, and I looked. He adjusts infants. He claims that he can stop bed wedding from adjusting a seven year old. I'm like, oh my god. I'm like this is, and like I'm sitting here going, my god. Like this guy that I went to school with who seemed, you know, he was smart. He was like, this is, I was kind of like, and I wasn't, it was hard to be mad. I was just disappointed in this person.

I think they hear it from a bunch of people who they think are experts, like their teachers, and they're going, no, this is accepted, so we're gonna take it. It's like, you know what, if you, like, if I saw people in science, like, because I promote a lot of things, you know, we might disagree on, but, you know, I promote a lot of ideas in science that I've seen the evidence for, and I've seen a lot of it.

You know, some dietary things that we guess, like, because, you know, we can, we can hash it. Like, I don't know, what are your thoughts on GMOs?

Okay, we agree on that then.

Yeah. I was so happy he had him on because he's never in California brought he's we went out we don't know for dinner that night.

Yeah, Kevin, it's, well, actually, you know, they funded his communication programs that he can come out and do things like this. And they never funded any of his research.

And no, it's fine. But you know what, here's a, and this is what where he got a lot of shit was, was that he said, I have nothing to do with Monsanto. And like, I think if he just said, you know what, they fund my communication program, but they don't have anything to do with my research. Nobody would have, I think people still would have been mad, but I think people would have been far less mad. And I feel so bad that he went through everything with that because they were tricky.

Yeah, I mean, I just took a tour there and I got hate mail. Yeah. And it's, I mean, we were so careful because I was out there for other business. And they were like, oh, you're going to be out in Missouri. Come have a tour. Like they didn't pay. It's, I had so much fun. Like, it was, there was, they have a lot of really cool tech there. And if, if you were ever in the area, they'd gladly show you around. So, there, there were, they were nice to me. I was funny. One of the, one of the rumors that I heard about that was that they only have organic food in the cafeteria. I'm like, I'm taking, I'm taking my camera around and taking pictures of everything.

organic uses pesticides and that's something I think people see yeah absolutely and I mean I thought that was the whole point of organic it's that you don't use pesticides or you know I'm sure there are some organic farmers that don't use anything that's what's let's google this what defines organic food

Do you want to hear it from me and then from Google to see if I'm at it? Sure. Alright, so organic food works by certain farming, or agricultural standards and they can use certain pesticides in most cases, these pesticides are derived from natural sources. not always but most of the time and some of these pesticides include pesticides like rotanone and the pyrethroms and also if you're familiar with BT corn, the BT toxin is also used in organic farming because it's a naturally occurring toxin, it can be used and sprayed topically on organic produce. So a lot of these, the things that we think of as just conventional farming practices definitely use in organic farming. It doesn't make it any better or worse. It just, in a lot of cases, it's a little more expensive, partially because of the certification process and partially because it uses older farming techniques that need a little more land that type of stuff. It also uses till farming practices that digs up the ground a bit more and can release a little more CO2. So in general, I tend to, oh, here we go.

Now, the one thing on there that I'll disagree with with their first paragraph, as they say, without the use of pesticides in the second paragraph, it says organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides. You see that slight, little slight of hand.

Exactly. Little slight of hand there. Instead, I mean, if I may ask, would you, would you like to Google

It's exactly what I was going to request. It's organic pesticides approved for use in the US. Here we go.

I mean, I understand that fear partially because I went through it quite a bit. When I got sick a few years ago, my first symptom wasn't celiac disease. It wasn't my joints popping out. I got the worst headache of my life one day and I never went away. Like, that'll make you scared to death of everything around you. Like, I went organic. I went vegan. I went, I'd cut everything out of my diet because I was scared that, you know, like, you get, you feel like you're getting stabbed in the eye constantly. You're going to cut everything out of your diet. And this happened all at once. One day worse had, and I was working, and at the time I wasn't working in the pesticide lab yet I was working at a drug analysis lab.

I wasn't having any of your absorbs and that or something. I was, well, it was, I was the thing that I was worried because I was at the time. I was, I was, I was, I was, there was much more, I lived than there was here today. I was, there was much more of me. And there is here today. I was, I'm five, nine and I at the time weighed almost 250 pounds. I, I needed to lose a little of me, but I was like, all right, I'm eating shitty food. I should probably try eating healthier, but I mean, never mind just more salads. I'm like, I went organic. I went, I just cut everything out of my diet.

But I mean, yeah, like I cut a lot of things out, started working out everything. But you know what, I still needed medication because it turned out there was just a it was just I had and we figured out the headache was linked into the other standless syndrome and there some to clarify everything. Some people when they have one autoimmune, they contend to cluster. So there's that's I I was lucky collar one million, but that was a thing with it. But I tried, you know, I looked into this and I fell for all of it. So all of the pesticides are killing you. It's the toxin. So I mean, I understand the fear of the people who were like, I need to cut toxins out of my diet.

Well, no, pesticides, here's the thing. There is a little bit of truth that sells the lie is what I will give this because I you know I used to work with bulk quantities of pesticides at my last lab and that was kind of what sealed the deal for me that these when they're in your food are not gonna hurt you because the amount of testing we had to go through in the amount of regulation I think regulation in this case is a good thing because it will stop a bad pesticide for making it to market and I I want that regulation there because I eat the food too. I don't want anyone's child to ever get hurt from something that me or another, like, I don't work there anymore, but that I had any work in getting on the market. I don't want to ever want that to be the case. But once upon a time, the pesticides we had on the market were much less targeted to hurting the weeds and could hurt people too. Our Senacles. sulfuric acid those were early pesticides Paris green totally toxic especially to to the farmers and to the even to the farm equipment the stuff we have now far less toxic and I mean people you see far less though is it toxic it's I mean I'm going to qualify this answer and I mean I'm not I'm not qualifying it to back off from it, but everything is toxic in some doses water.

But I mean, so round up is one that people are really scared of and it's one that a lot of people know about. There is a great graph on the showing how less toxic it is than the pesticides it replaced because we weren't, we didn't go from using no pesticide to using round up. And I know someone's going to correct me saying it's an herbicide, but herbicide is pesticides a blanket term for all things that kill stuff and farming. So before Before round-up, I believe the one we used was cyanazine. I could be wrong on this. But the one we used before round-up was in terms of the LD50, the lethal dose for about 50% of the population. It was 10 times higher than round-up. And now we barely sell any of it.

Right. And I understand that's a question that people are, you know, keep coming back to. And part of the reason that people are suspicious of it is because of its use with a GMO. And these things go through hundreds of tests and years of testing. And because of the suspicion with round up, it's gone through continual testing. Like they've tested to see if it, if it accumulates in brush milk, it does not. They've tested to see if it causes cancer doesn't seem to. And they've tried. They've used it at higher doses.

They've tested in humans. It's been on the market for 30 years.

But I mean like it's been in the population or it's been used now for I believe 25 years and there doesn't seem to be the only the only apparent increase in cancer is because we're living longer now. And when you have any population that lives longer, you have increased incidents of cancer. Like we're not dying from polio anymore. So we're dying from something. Like unfortunately we're not going to live forever.

Kids weeds, pesticides kills bugs, right? Pesticides are it's the blanket term insecticide kills bug.

Roundup is controversial and I think the reason that it became controversial is because people heard, all right, you have to genetically modify the plant so that the roundup doesn't kill the plant. And it's this whole thing just to make money from on Santa. And how dare you make money? And that's I think that was why people got Mad was because of the genetic modification link in with round up and it's you know, it's a new technology and it kind of made people a little aware of farming for the first time and like I go to farming conferences a lot of times to talk about how to communicate agriculture and I'll sit down and ask farmers You know, what do you plant? Why are you planting it? What do you think of GMOs to use round up? And do you buy from people other than you buy from on Santo? And do you buy from people other than Mont Santo? And that handful of questions will tell me, well, I mean, if I, I wish I had more videos of this, but like there's, there's a video at some point on my site with two farmers who buy from Monsanto and buy from other companies. And one of the reasons I asked that is because there's a rumor on the internet that if you buy from Monsanto, you can only buy from Monsanto, just not true, that every genetically modified crop is made to be round up ready, again, not true, that people are being that people are dying of cancer from just being around round up. And recently they found that one of the reports that went through the IARC that cancel the place that declares things cancerous, you know, on their, you know, group one, two, two A2B cancer classifications. One of the reports was falsified that declared round up cancerous. Now we also have to falsify Bahu. by the person who is I'm I have to hunt down the support but the person who was trying to say round up as cancer always do because of a little bit of suspicion of round up because it's been people have kicked around that it's causing cancer or you know that you're spleen to turn radio active for you know forever and it's so is this like a camtrails type thing a little bit because of one of the things that people talk about in terms of conspiracy theories and It gets put into the public sphere so much that people start to believe it. And here's thing, if I saw firm evidence that roundup had caused issues, I would say, right, just get rid of it, take it off the market. And I keep on not seeing firm evidence of it. Like one of the, there was a study, there's a group, moms across, or moms across America. And it's, I take, I always get my scientific information from mom groups on the internet, but this group decided to do a breast milk study to see if round-up accumulated in breast milk. And the way the study was done was they just had women indiscriminately send in containers of breast milk to, to them, and they declared like the amount of round-up to be ridiculously high in the breast milk. And I'm like, do they just tell women to spray like pump bottles? of round up into these containers and then test it, but it turned out. And this is just from knowing how analytical techniques work. Like I used to design the techniques by which we extracted, you know, target pesticides from a matrix and, you know, analyze them on our, on our big overpriced machinery. But the, a woman who was a breast milk researcher out of the University of Washington was like, this doesn't seem right. So she designed an experiment to test if roundup was accumulating in breast milk and she had it verified by an out by an independent lab and it and they tested women specifically who worked in agriculture and she had their breast milk tested specifically on days where they were spraying roundup and there was nothing found yeah but that's someone who's not necessarily eating the food that someone is working with the food working with roundup right it's and you would expect that if it was being sprayed well they think about this way roundup is the issue though

It's both think about it this way, but it's in the food supply. Wouldn't they be eating it as well?

It's, well, the other question is if these are the people that are following moms across America and their whole thing is that round up is the devil.

I think that it was not a well-controlled experiment and it would be interesting to see how the experiment would come out if the person who runs moms across America's and Hanukkah would how it would look if Zen were to look in on every step of the process with Shelly McGuire, Dr. Shelly McGuire, to see that, you know, these people ate food that should have been sprayed with round-up and worked in the field and then at the end to see if their breast milk came up with nothing at it.

Well, the farm workers themselves, they'd want to be safe, right? Maybe. And I say that as someone who's worked at a pesticide company. And when I worked there, I mean, I was, I was just an analytical chemist. I'm not someone who had any investment in keeping that company safe from being yelled at. I wanted to be safe from the stuff I was working with.

It's no, I understand what you're saying for sure. But part of the reason why I think that Dr. McGuire would have conducted a better study was number one independently verified. Number two knows how to do collection evidence or not evidence specimen collection accurately. And number three monitored and independently verified from an outside lab. So it's like we don't have, and when when mom's across America was asked to show their data and how they collected the samples, they didn't give, they weren't willing to to share their all of their data on how specimen collection was.

I don't recall off the top of my head, but it seems suspicious to me that they weren't willing to disclose that. That's very suspicious. When you do an experiment, everything, and I use to work under GLP standards, which basically you throw out a glove, you have to write it down. That's part of the standards on how you get a chemical into use in agriculture. You really have to be careful and forthcoming on how you do your work.

I believe they didn't find, I don't, I think they were only testing for round-up, and they found there to be, they didn't find there to be even trace amounts, which I was kind of surprised at, I would have expected something.

They found a lot.

No, they found the amount varied, and they were so high, it was, like, it was like somebody drips them in there. it was suspicious and that's why I was like I don't like that was why I didn't buy it the other thing is they used a technique an analytical technique that was used for water and that's why I'm like this is not like not all techniques used for all work for all chemical matrices so that's another reason why you know a different lab was probably better equipped to handle it one specifically that analyzes breast milk So it's I think like the other thing is you know that the other lab the other lab kind of had a bias going in because their whole thing is how round up is bad so a lab that's like I just want to know if you know moms are being harmed if there's breast if there's something in the in the breast milk that seems like a lab that you know went in just wanting to know the other lab went and saying I hate round up. So if you know I would have if round up had been found in in the test that Dr. McGuire's lab had done I would have happily accepted those results because you know it almost wouldn't It would have surprised me not in the least if it had been found. But I was kind of glad that there was nothing there because it means that babies aren't getting a concentrated dose of this. Just because you don't want, you know, extraneous chemicals going into the foods.

I think they did. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I know one of the people of one of the groups they did test were women on testing days. But they come out of this way. They're not just spraying it. They're also, you know, possibly eating food that's been that's had it on there.

It's I'm, you know, I'd have to, I want to have a look at the study again myself just to be, just to be sure of what the, what the mission is where I'm referring to.

It's have, I have a look, we can have a quick peek after it for Dr. Shellam Aguire, a breast milk round-up study.

It's it is I'm going to say it is easy to screw up a study using if you're not sure the parameters you're supposed to use in an analytical in in a chemical analysis thing because you're going to have interfering species that come up with the same peaks at the same time. So the other thing is, like I said, the biggest thing is we don't know the collection parameters for the one that mom across America did. Yeah, I mean, it's, the other thing is, Dr. McGuire was doing it through a university and she could have been in, she could have been in a lot of trouble if she, uh, falsified, uh, or data, or done, uh, or done a test that was purposefully misleading. Right.

Yep. And that's, it's, I mean, they sell that so well, don't they?

I'm picturing an anti-vaxxer staying away from organic produce because they vaccinated it against bees.

I always go back to the argument of nothing we're doing as natural anyway. We're sitting in an air-conditioned studio in California that we'd probably be dead with a lot of the things that we don't have that's, you know, how about food?

There's nothing that we enjoy that's natural anymore. Ice cream's not natural. And it's goddamn delicious.

It's like I am like you want natural baritacks, asteroids. Well, I think those little sticker things that come out of trees. Those are all natural.

It's groups. Jesus made those himself.

You know, cunts are warm, lovely places. These people are animals.

Like I'm trying to figure because they're saying it energetically enhances it does this mean it adds calories to it or does it? It's that's nutrient.

Whatever the fuck goes.

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fewer chiropractors and a lot of people who love chiropractic and are mad at me because I think people think I'm calling them stupid for using chiropractor one like no you got you that's stupid they got me to got a lot of us I mean it's like I would basically be calling half my fan base stupid if if that were the case and I'm not and I felt kind of bad because a good friend of mine like she like after she gave birth she had like a severe enough injury that she could barely walk and a chiropractor basically from massaging the area got her up and walking and she's like and the thing she said to me was I'm tired of being called a lemon moron I'm like I never you number one I never insulted people who use chiropractic and number two I definitely didn't use those two words And I think people got the impression that I was calling everyone who used chiropractors dumb. And it's like, that's never the point of my writing. It's like, you're not the moron for falling for this. They're the assholes for selling it.

or that it's, or that the stuff they're selling isn't considered scientifically valid.

I think we had to cut it off at some point because the article was 4,000 words.

Yeah. That's a, that's fun.

It's a thing where it took root before, like I said, before real medicine was starting and it just kept going. While medicine was making attempts at other things and some of them failed and some of them stayed, like think about around that time, was when Bayer was like, we have a new miracle cure, heroin.

Yeah, like they were trying it real things and failing but at least they were they were trying like these guys were like, hey, we had a slange check those motherfuck out and like that didn't work so well without the internet

And I love that so many of them just say doctor and you have to dig through their website for where it eventually says Chiara practice.

It's funny because a lot of them like I and I don't know this should bug me or not because like you'll see doctor somewhere and the the MDs will say MD really carefully or pediatrician although it'll be very careful to say what type of doctor they are if someone like now I'm very leery if I just see doctor because I'm like all right are they like what breed of doctor are they do they have a PhD do they have are they a chiropractor like if I see doctor and then I see some bullshit on their page I'm like type of doctor are they because like everyone wants you to think like or I think people just want you to think that they're a medical doctor uh and that's that weight that title has a lot of weight so people will take shit advice if they see DR period in front of the name Bill Cosby was a doctor for a while to the took it back apparently people were taken some drugs from him

I go back and forth on that one because I have friends who have their PhDs and you're kind of you call them doctor and then like when I think I feel like when they email people generally in the signature line it's you know, it's you know, Joe Schmo PhD like they're they're like yeah, it's like they sign things PhD in general just to not be a dick about it But it's like it's I feel like putting doctor blank when you're a PhD It's like I feel like it can cause some confusion like Dr. Laura.

I don't know which one he was off the top of my head. I feel like there was a doctor in there somewhere or a peach or something. But like there's so many of them that just don't have what they say. It's funny because what's his face? Dr. Oz really good cardio thoracic surgeon bullshit her on TV.

He's got it's funny because since Congress told them cut the shit he's been Congress. Imagine that.

He's been less full of shit. But still a little full shit because how do you work how do you fill a 45 minute TV show with complete like you know just peer reviewed signs every day?

And it's like the disappointing thing is like he was I mean when I say good he was amazingly good cardiovascular surgeon and that's what's disappointing about this is he used that credibility of being such a good doctor to be such a big asshole. It's like why why would you do that to people? They expect we we wanted better from you just don't do that

He was a didn't he think the Earth's 10,000 years old? He thinks there's grain in the fucking pyramids. Grane? Grane. He was like, there's grain in the pyramids.

It's like filled with grain. Is that what you think? I think he thought they were silos. They were ancient silos. Like it's not that they're. He doesn't mean that there's like an occasional vase full of grain. He means like they were silos and that's not not accurate.

It might be, I don't, I haven't looked much into them. I might have made that up. But I mean, it would nothing would surprise me with them of these people.

It's hard to find people that are 100%, you know, very skeptical and very, you know, or critical thinkers and want to be critical thinkers in every field where I feel like, look, I have this belalbi really good and really critical thinking about this, but motherfucker, I have this belief and you can't touch it and that seems to be the case with a lot of people. I just want evidence about things. Show me evidence. And the big thing is show me where the balance of evidence is, like, if you give me two articles that say this and then 10,000 that say this, I'm like, I'm over here. I'm going there. And I think that's, I think that's kind of a solid way to evaluate evidence. Like, if you've got a lot of them that say this and they're, and they seem solid and backed by, backed by people who know what they're talking about, it just seems to be a good way to evaluate what your, you know, how you're going to, choose your opinions on something.

And is, well, that's one of the reasons why I don't blame people when they don't get it right right away. Because do, like, and this is something I'll do with some of my talks. I'll say, you know, take your phones and Google affirm that you're not sure about in health or nutrition Google GMOs, Google sugar, Google, you know, whatever. And, you know, tell me what the top 10 search results say. And, you know, sometimes, like, especially with GMOs for a long time, the top like 8 out of 10 search results were like, wow, this is going to make your dick fall off and it's like, now like, it's changed a little bit because there's been a huge effort by science writers to get out the word. This isn't going to kill you, but like, for a while, like, how, you know, it's So many of the top search results said they were horrible. How hard should, you know, just a soccer mom and Iowa have to hunt to figure out if this is going to kill kids. Like, and I, that's why I really don't blame people when they get it wrong at first because this is, there's so much bad information out there that is easy to get the impression that, like I said, the 10,000 articles say it's bad when it's really just, you know, screaming assholes repeating, you know, the one article that say it's bad.

And it's hard to, it's like when someone just wants to know what's going to fix my back, like that's not where they start.

Yeah, I gave up my beloved die Coke dark times.

Well, the question is kind of like we're talking about with long-term pesticide exposure. I don't know where that's going to land me when I'm 70. I don't believe it. Of course, I'm causing arthritis. Of course, I'm 70. They're just going to throw some new drug at me and it will be fine.

that's an excellent point. It's one of the other. It's funny. I've had and one person is funny for all the people who messaged me because you asked what the feedback was. It wasn't just you know, chiropractors who would really mad. I had some people say my parents brought me for chiropractors when I was a kid and now my back is fucked up. So I mean, and I don't know how many stories there are like that from people saying, you know, we started chiropractic when I was a baby and this was not the way to go for me. Like, but God, some of the responses started to be Jesus fucking Christ.

So there are like the sudden very kind of violent way that they crack a neck and chiropractic can leave you open to severing an artery in your neck. Now it's not often that it happens, but it happens. And this is one of those things that I have a really big intention with chiropractic with. Is that they have all these mornings about how you know western medicine and it's kind of funny they call it western medicine when chiropractic started in the middle of the kind of of the u.s. It's like, you know, it's a claim that you made this in China for fucksakes, but like they'll they'll say that western medicine is so horrible for you and has all these potential side effects and yeah, it has potential side effects, but they have potential side effects while they actually cure shit. You have potential side effects while you're cracking someone's neck.

The little mind never made it to the US. That's something a lot of people don't realize. really it was used in other countries now we had one regulator in the u.s. who saw the drug was coming up for approval here and she said no we have to look into this more and then they saw the cases in Europe of all these infants that were being born with major side effects and she was like ah told you so that was that was how they started and this was what this is actually what gave us uh... one of the best acts for regulation for safety and efficacy in the U.S., and basically I said that drugs before they make its market now have to be proven beyond a certain amount to show that they are both safe and effective. And it was basically the lid of my that launched that act, which is kind of like we're good at learning from our mistakes in far, I say we like I work for it, but no, it's like we're good at learning from our mistakes when we have a fuck up like that. So I mean, I don't know what, and what worries me is that we're gonna have eventually another we we can very easily have another drug like that but it will be something that we haven't regulated out of the system yet so I don't know what the next thing will be but it'll be something that we haven't seen yet so that's the that that's the kind of uh... scary thing it'll be it'll be like we already know to test for things in utero we already know to think test for things that uh... you know that can cause cancer we already know certain types of testing uh... like but the little might It was so crazy non-toxic. They couldn't get it to kill a rat. How nutty is that?

And did the babies? Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that something that was that sick. What was the purpose of it? It was used for a lot of different things. And the thing that they gave it to mothers for was to stop morning sickness. Now, it's still used in a few treatments. Just don't get it anywhere near a pregnant woman. So they gave it, it was really, really good for learn or phrase it. It was really effective. at stopping morning sickness, but just nobody had a clue that it was what it was causing to, you know, in utero. And it was causing, like, you know, limbs to not be formed. It was causing all these crazy things. And tens of thousands of babies were born to form before they went yikes, pull the plug.

And this is why after, and this is an interesting thing that happens. So it's you, you know, as you'd happen with your neurotrophic. Neutrophic. Okay, sorry, my apologies. So with, so you know about face three clinical trials and all that from from that. So when you get to face three generally you're testing between three and 10,000 people in the population and you've gotten through a few trials. You know that this is effective for this. You want to see if people have your testing for allergic reactions and you're testing to see where people are going to have issues with the drug. So that when you get to market, you know that, you know, these people, like this is the percentage of people that have these side effects as a percentage of these, if you have these side effects, call your doctor right away, just continue that type of stuff. But that's three to 10,000 people. You don't know who you're going to give it to that's on ex medication that has ex disorder on top of the thing you're treating for that type of stuff. Or if it could cause someone to die, these things can happen. And like that's kind of what happened with Viox is that, you know, like, they didn't, they, there were some people in that room who probably.

Holy shit. I mean, there were people in that room who probably looked at it and said, all right, so there's this risk factor that causes you to increase your possible risk factor by x percent. What if somebody has all of these risk factors combined? And, you know, like, well, you shouldn't approve it because there's a chance if you put it on somebody on this who has all of these combined, there's a chance that they're going to have, you know, their chances of getting a stroke is, you know, having an issue with their, what is a heart attack? from it is going to be through the roof. We shouldn't approve it. And it got approved anyway. And it's one of those drugs that shouldn't have been put through. Was it hard to access drugs? I thought it was hard to tax. Oh, no, I got a stroke from it. Oh, it's a blood clot that must have been blood clots.

Yeah, and it's like, there is a chant when you put any drug through. Now, they try to get two things to minimize this, but because a phase three trial only tests in a certain amount of the population, they try to get a diverse group. When you get it out, you don't know what the possible effects are going to be on someone else. So you might see new side effects, depending on the other drugs someone is on to Because you're not prescribing these to healthy people, you're prescribing this to a sick person. So yeah, that definitely can happen. So that's why for a certain amount of time after drugs on the market, they do post, it's kind of face for clinical trials. You're doing post-market monitoring. So that does go on for a certain amount of time. And sometimes drugs are pulled based on the amount of side effects, the other things. And that doesn't happen often. But it can happen based upon the amount of issues that you see after it hits market.

I would say mixed feelings, but most of my feelings are that it's a bad thing. And it's the only good thing I see from it. And I mean, most of my feelings about it are still a bit of a bad idea. The only good thing I see about it is that if you have a patient that's, you know, got a shitty disease to work with, they get aware that there's a new medication out to treat it. But you know where they should be getting that information? They're doctor.

Maybe you know what your doctor is if you're asking them a drug dealer.

Yeah, like in and I don't I don't I don't feel like that's like no, it's not a problem. And it's like, you know, I live it's my I lived in England for a year and when I was over there I realized I'm not like I'm like, where are all the drug advertisements? Like there's this is not a thing out here. It's like where do you know it's like medicine? It's an amazing phrase. It's different. It was there were some things that were kind of crazy about that. I landed in the hospital overnight once when I was there and I was so like and I already knew that I had no copays when I went to a doctor. I'm like I'm in the hospital overnight. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. I'm gonna like this is gonna cost me 10 grand. When I left, they were like, did you take a cab here? I'm like, no why they're like, oh, if you had, we were gonna pay for it.

All my relatives are, I have like five relatives in this country. They rest all live in Nova Scotia. And there are, I'd say it's a mixed bag. So if you need urgent care or regular care, like you need to go to the doctor for a checkup, you need your, you know, your annuals, or you have a fucking heart attack, you, I would say you're better off living in Canada. I had a little cousin that was born with basically no chambers in her heart. which is horrifying. You know, it's like they saw it in Yuduro and it was like okay, we're going to have to give this child an operation like almost immediately when she was born. And for the next two years out a surgery almost every like open heart surgery every year on the dot. every year as the heart grows and like we ask you know why and yeah and I mean they couldn't do all the fixing because they needed to do it as a heart got bigger and what do they do how do they do that I wish I knew all the technicalities but you'd have to talk to a heart surgeon a chamber so what the heart look like It was, I'm not exactly sure. I never saw the pictures of it, but I mean, I'll hunt down my her father, my cousin's blog that Doc humanity, if you want to have a peek, but it was, it's a fairly rare condition. The heart was, I believe when she was born, it was a little closer to the center of the chest. It was a very, like, my mom said that, you know, when she held her, when she was first born, like the pulsing, even felt, or sounded a little different than a normal infant's heart, like it was. But I mean the first at first I get a surgery that kind of put a band around the heart to give it a little more structure and then they formed more chambers and then when she was three they put in like full chambers and now she the only thing she can't do is she can't play context sports and they paid nothing She can't play context where it's because of possibility of causing, I'm not sure exactly what it can do, but it's, you know, there's, it can cause a little bit too much trauma to a heart that's already been, you know, through a lot of trauma, but that's the only thing that she's been told not to do. So don't kick box. Yeah, no kickboxing, but no kick kick in the chest. No, no, no, but she can run. She can, I believe she can run. She can, she's happy active little kid looks really healthy. Is about the same, she's, she's a twin and she's got about the, she's about the same height as her brother, like she's a, um, why didn't they just take her to a car park to where they could adjust her neck and grow her heart. See, if you've been there to suggest this show, she'd be fine.

It's a little bit of a sensual oil. Maybe she never went to Palthra stickers.

What's your sleeping energy for her food?

It's like, no, this is the liver right there.

I don't have to, I don't have to believe in penicillin, okay? Exactly.

I want to reflexologists mechanic for my car. I want someone to start reflexologists. The same thing is what they say, where they say that it's not just that they're messing with your feet. They're giving you a reflexology massage where they tap on certain parts of your feet and they say it's healing your liver. So give me a reflexologist mechanic so that they're tapping on my tires and it's like, no, no, no, I'm working on your radiator. I want to see that.

They say that by tapping on a certain, like this part, the, the arch is really your liver and your toes are really high.

I'm just, but like, that's the same kind of shit. Oh, yeah. So like I said, give me give me like the chiropractic, you know, reflexologist of the mechanic world. I want them to start tapping on my oil tank and say, oh, really, I'm fixing your alternator. Like, like, no, nobody does this shit for cars because you know why your car won't run.

Oh, yeah. It's like, the way you, I think if anyone out there, because I'm guessing your audience doesn't have a lot of people who believe in psychics, but if anyone sure they do. If anyone out there truly believes in psychic, walk into one, and when they ask you your name, just walk right the fuck back out because if they were real psychic, they would know you were coming and they would know your name.

Just walk right in, walk right in, give them a fall story and see if they check it.

She was an old lady and she was grandma like and she cooks things that you like. See, I know about your grandma too, motherfucker.

Oh, yeah, it's a I'm friends with the pen and tell us. Okay, it's love those guys.

I learned a lot of my writing style kind of from that and there was it was funny there was a night backstage after the show once where I was talking about like what I was doing with the with the side-babe writing with teller and one of the things he said was about getting the script back for the chiropractic episode and they have to be really careful with how they wrote the episodes of bullshit when they did bullshit and that was just and it was funny because like I I turned into a skeptic from watching that show and it's you've it was just great because like I you know obviously had never heard teller talk before I got to you know know that group and it was like that was that was the first time because I had to chat with teller a little bit before because I got to know pen first and hearing teller describe like after I started you know doing the side-babe thing um to chatting with him about that I got a little insight into his brain he's like yeah we got the script back from legal and they said just call the chiropractors mother fuckers It's like I'm like I inside I'm like I gotta keep my composition, but my Lord that was like hearing tell or say mother fuckers.

It's there's basically everything you hear in penstone of voice you have to hear it in this tone of voice like I've learned a lot about skepticking responsibly from him. One of the things I've always taken away is don't blame the victim. That's something I've kept with me and I'll always keep with me. He's been a big influence on my work and it's been helpful.

Yeah, it's I apologize for interpreting or saying about banner check. It's or yeah, it's if you were about to go into when they fooled people with their fake site with the fake psychic.

fuck out of people. And I kind of love that. It's kind of, it's been interesting to see this group of entertainers of people think of as goofballs, be this kind of, it's a little bit of a bastion of intellectualism because I like that, it's hard to get people to pay attention to anything on the internet. But if you make it funny and you add a dick joke, suddenly people are like, I gotta learn about this.

They're like, nope, we're tricking you. And they use that word trick and I like that.

It's, and they were, they were totally at front. They're like, no, there's no magic. We're mother fucking tricking you.

One of my favorite ones is there was a, there's an episode where they attacked organic food. And they did, and this is this thing where people doubled down on things. They took a banana cut in half. and it was I believe a conventionally grown banana and on one plate they'd say it was an organic banana the other plate they'd say it was a organic the other plate conventionally grown and have people take a bite out of each one and people you know they'd sit there describing the organic banana is creamy and sweet and tastes like a banana should taste in the conventionally grown yet really bland and it doesn't taste good and this one girl after they explained to quote pen is the same fucking banana

Well, I just, it's, it's a skill.

Girls, girls can get away with it. I think I thought I didn't know Kay impression of Penn, but yeah.

Enough yelling. No, it's just enough attempting to destroy my vocal cords. Well, we'll produce a Penn impression almost.

I think people are tired of not knowing what's real on the internet. And it's partially like this whole trend with fake news. And like, there's kind of a breaking point, I think, in terms of what people are willing to accept for just shipping spewed on the internet and being accepted as real because there's so much content out there and people want to spend their time reading stuff that's for real and that they can trust and they don't want to trust shitty sources you know like they want to go all right here's a source I can trust I can keep going back to this website I can get good information and they want things explained that they know is researched Well, and I think that this is this is a valuable good to offer out to people saying, you know, here's something real and here's something in here's a dick joke to read while you're reading something real. So I am for a good dick joke to to research ratio.

I was going to joke, well, I do get paid by the word. Oh, that's true, but it wasn't like, I never go into it going. Let's make it as long as I can or make it as short as I can. We like, I'm attributing right or at the outline now. And this is, and it's whenever we write a piece, it's always, let's make it cover the topic in as entertaining and as as cohesive as a story as possible and we'll go for let's go we kind of say what points do we want to cover in this piece and sometimes it's and it's basically to tell a good story and my goal whenever I write an article and something is let's write the best let's write a piece so that I never have to cover this topic again and with chiropractic like I, like, I could, one thing I would have liked to have covered if somehow we could have made it like either, you know, if somehow we could have condensed it a little as so we could have fit something else in. I would have, uh, maybe added a piece on are there science based chiropractors? Is that possible?

Yeah, I mean that's the problem is like I feel like like it was we tried to present one point of view while still giving a hat to like we included a link on some chiropractors that are showing you know that they're trying to be science based so I think that adding in a whole section on it would have maybe diminished from the point of view of it so being making it good reading and you know a cohesive point of view is always important to the article

Well, there is, there is some, and it's some, minor evidence that.

And I don't want to diminish. And this is something that I'm sure people are sitting there like with daggers still mad at us for saying, you know, for questioning their, their subjective experiences, I don't want to tell people that they did not feel relief. from what they, because pain is, it's really subjective and it's hard to manage. So I think that there are chiropractors who aim specifically to relieve low back pain. And I mean, I think if you aim just to do that with your chiropractic practice while still telling people, look, I'm just doing this while you go to physical therapy, you should still be going to a physical therapist. This is an adjunctive thing solely to relieve pain. And they try to see how it can, just relieve pain. I think it's possible that I can do that. But I think that adding that into the article takes away from it a bit, because that's not part of the article's point of view. And it's also not part of my point of view of how it's not a science-based practice. So I think that, and I mean, I've seen some ethical chiropractors. There's a Sam Hommel. Hommel, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name. I've never heard it said it out loud before. But that was one of the chiropractors who I cited in there. who, you know, he's continued to practice while speaking out against the chiropractic, very vocally speaking out against chiropractic as a whole, because he's seen that it can, you know, and there is some.

He is, but he's. But what is going on there?

And that's what all the things where I feel like I'm in a gray area because I don't want to diminish the people who've said that it's helped them have pain relief but I also think these people should be going to you know to a you know to a physical therapist and to a massage therapist so like I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the exact right answer is on that if someone says I've been to a physical therapist I've been to a massage therapist and this is the only thing that's ever made it feel better and I went in one session what do you say like and I I don't know where the exact right answer is to that.

Well, here's a question. What if, and this is, I get it, it's completely hypothetical. What if it hadn't been started by this nut job back in the killer? And it was a doctor who said, oh, this can, you know, this can help. And if it was just an osteopath who was trying to see if this can help relief pain along with physical therapy. So I encourage people if they are looking for a way that manipulation can help, maybe not go to a chiropractor, but seek out in your medical practice and osteopath who knows much more about anatomy, and please keep going to a physical therapist and maybe a massage therapist because massage is feel fucking great.

Like, you know, it's going to be, it will be very hard for you to find a, you know, quote unquote science-based chiropractor. Please, if you're, you know, if the only thing that's relieving your back pain and I get it, I have, you know, I have scoliosis back pain issues are very hard to manage. You know, an osteopath will understand your anatomy much better. They're not going to say you have to come back in three times a week. They're going to send you to a physical therapist and, you know, maybe recommend a massage, but they'll do it in an ethical fashion and not overstep their reach. But that's, you know, there is some evidence that it helps with lower back pain but not more than physical therapy or massage and that's I think what people should take away from this. I'm not saying I can't do anything. I'm saying it's not the best thing.

Yeah, I mean, that's like, I think it's, and I get it. Like, I'm, I don't want to, I think the hardest part is telling people that their subjective experience is wrong. That's like, you don't.

Yeah, and it's like, yeah, I mean, it's like if you went to a higher factor, you're not stupid, you're not wrong, you're not a moron, you're, you know, you're someone who's suffering. And I, I, I both, both of us understand that. It's just, you know, make sure you're not being that the person who's selling to you isn't selling a line.

Please, please don't let someone do that to you because.

Measles is a, you know, measles is a real thing.

It's I and this is kind of a like I've did you a it's have you ever gotten hooping off because that one's incredible. I got it as an adult, because this is kind of, this is kind of shitty. They do need to make a new hooping cough vaccine. That is not a reason not to get it. Please get it. Please re-upt it. But the hooping cough vaccine when they made it, some strains of it wore off faster than was originally expected. Somebody came into my lab, and we were, I mean, we were given, you know, along with our packages working two labs ago at a drug testing lab. We were given health insurance, and it was around the time of the first Obamacare debate, you know, and people were all like, I don't need to buy health care. And one of the guys in the lab who was all, why should I get health care? I'm healthy. He showed up with hooping cough. And for two weeks, we didn't know he had it. He was just sick. And everyone's like, Craig, go to the doctor. Craig, go to the doctor. Craig, go to the doctor. Five of us got hooping cough.

It's fucking Craig, man. Fucking Craig. I was out of, we all had to say out of work for five days, all of us who had it. So, and I'm like, and within the course of a month, and this was just bad luck. Within the course of a month, I had had hip surgery to tour a tour of ligament to my hip running an ultramarathon. Never, don't run an ultramarathon. It's a bad idea. It was hitting a car accident and got hooping off with it. Wait, that was six weeks. So, I'm like, I had no vacation time left. to this work, and I was out because somebody coughed on me.

There are, it's, I didn't realize at the time that I had a joint disorder.

Oh, no, you need to try. And I mean, I trained properly. I just, I didn't realize, I'm like, my hip is hurting, and I went to my surgeon, and this is, this is something that a, that's chiropractic does yell about in the pain care. system. And in the medical system that they have a point about, doctors do throw pills that you have hasardly. My doctor and I'm never going to not be mad about this. My doctor instead of saying we should do a scan with contrast to see what's going on because you're really complaining about this. Chucks me a bottle of like it and said go ahead and run. Yeah.

I'm not going to say because, you know, it's like, there was that part of me that was really happy that I got to do my ultra, but God damn it. If you need bike it into run a marathon, don't do it.

Oh, yeah. I mean, don't don't do that. But I mean, it was funny because after I ran it, I'm like, all right, I don't need to, you know, take the medication anymore because I'm not running and suddenly I realized how fucked up my hip was and it was like, oh, my God, I can barely walk. What was wrong with the heavy tour ligament tour my labor and it was like it was you have to get that tighten up I just I don't even like say it up. I mean, there's all I have are like two little scars because like it was it was such an easy surgery that the day of surgery it felt less bad than it did the day before Wow, and it was like it was fun. It was the week that I turned 29. I'm like it's Turn it to 29 and already I'm getting hip surgery. I'm like this was this was uh yeah, so that was my my all of my surgeries have been on I'm pretty sure my parents dropped me as a baby and just wanted me to it because my headache left side three surgeries on my left shoulder surgery my left hip on my right hand it it's I'm I'm right handed, but I'm a little because you're doing everything with your right sides and left sides atrophing I'm one of my friends is an archery instructor and I'm learning how to how to shoot bows and arrows. Just in case the revolution come not really. But it's I'm off I shoot with my bow hand my strong hand is my left hand and I'm like my dominant on my left eye pull back on the which one gets You pull back on the left and pull back on the left and yeah pull back on the left and my right arm keeps getting bruised like crazy and I have to keep explaining to people that I'm not getting hit.

Yeah, slapping with this one.

I have one and it's the worst this is the worst thing happens because like all I have to do is go like this to get my arm out of the way and instead the couple of this is the worst is when the string catches right here and this giant bruise

I don't think it's long.

It's a really simple starter bow. It's my friend Anna. She's she knows all the things we're doing. It's like I'm I just kind of show from like, please let me not kill myself. So it's it's a it's a thing where it's like it's a lot of fun. And I'm loving the crap out of it. It's great. Great work out, especially for your lats and your upper shoulders. But it's like, Dear God, I'm still clueless at what I'm doing. It's funny. Because she's like, she's want a few tournament. She knows what she's doing. I'd gone shooting with her a few times. And then we went out. My boyfriend came with us. And like, he's hitting bulls eyes right away. I'm like, I'm like, how the, are you fucking kidding me? He just naturally great at it. I'm like, but I'm like, I still am meditation. oh yeah it's just you're just you're sitting there going who who do I want to pretend is in the tartan but it's like what you do really no not at all I'm not an angry part like it's it's funny I put all my all of my rage goes into my writing and like that's that's like all of the I'm like anger daddy issues all the time so I did like Why didn't this work? God damn it! All the anger goes into the writing. Like the archery is just meditative. Like it's relaxing. It's like you're out on an open field. It's like it's a really nice little archery range up in Glendale.

Yeah, you're just, you're, it's funny. Whenever, here's my nerdy moments. Whenever we walk from the car to the range, it turn on a superhero soundtrack and just walk out there. I'm like, I can feel like a superhero soundtrack. It's the soundtrack to Deadpool.

They're going to hate me at some point.

it's the one thing and I keep waiting for this there you know there was the one article where somebody called me a Sith Lord and I'm like they and they get into that because I was the article because I was my carpractor I don't I think of somebody who'd went to one and they said only a Sith deals in absolute I'm like I'm like I'm part of the rebellion but no that's so stupid it's but they were nerded out I am a nerd and I'm okay yeah I'm nerd too but that's that's so like

It's, I mean, for calling me a Sith Lord. I have that in my Twitter profile now. I'm like a legend, Sith Lord, bring it on. Oh, you ran it. I'm like, you know, I'm like, after all the insults of people thrown, I found an article written about me once, and of course, it was beautiful that I said that I was, that I was on, I was a big pharmaceutical because I admitted to taking medication for my headache. I'm like, if that, I'm like, I don't think I'm a chili. I think I'm a customer. They have the relationship backwards. You can't read everything. But no, it's I can't fight the internet.