Transcript for #2037 - Alex Berenson

How are you feeling out there? You, you truth warrior.

You don't have to be done, right? They will not let it go. Yeah, it's strange. It's strange now because it's also strange what bothers me. And I try to emphasize this as much as possible. And I even have to do this recently with some close family friends. You've got to take care of your health. You have to take vitamins. You have to eat right. You have to. If you don't do that, your body doesn't function well. That includes your immune system, includes everything. includes, you know, inflammation, it causes a host of diseases in your body. You gotta take care of yourself. And that, that, that, to, to be should be the most important message that everyone's putting out, not just the podcasters, but the government. Health officials, everyone should be saying that. You should really supplement with vitamins. You should really, you know, get your nutrient levels checked if you can.

Yeah, there's been some studies done recently that something really crazy, like 20 minutes of exercise, like twice a week, improves your overall, like all-cause mortality score. Yes. Just a little bit, moderate stuff, like nothing crazy, like through some push-ups and setups and some jumping jacks, and you're good to go, just you have to do something that gets your body moving. or it doesn't think that it has to be atrophies. It's just an unfortunate aspect of our biology that we are not like other animals. You know, like, and other animals get stronger too, is the exercise, but we've all seen animals that are like super muscular that don't do anything. It's just that they're different, you know, and they only live 13 years, right? Yes. The whole thing's different. Yes. With us, we're this long-term species with intelligence and ego and justifications and all sorts of weird ways that we Well, procrastinate and justify bad behavior and unhealthy choices, and it's such as a constant battle just being human being. And the no one wins that battle. You just win battles. You win like daily bad. No one wins the war. Everyone dies in the end. Everyone dies in the end.

We're not. And we're certainly not built for phones. You know, so many people are getting destroyed by social media. Like their lives have become wrapped up in arguing with people. And I just think that's super unhealthy. Yes. There's some aspect of it that's very beneficial and positive. I think you get a lot of information that you wouldn't have gotten. I think you get to See people's perspectives that occasionally are very inspiring and very unique and interesting. I love listening or reading things from other people that I think have very good perspectives and interesting perspectives. It's a rare opportunity to talk to people that you wouldn't be able to run into. If we lived in the 1970s, you'd have to cultivate these interesting people in the physical person, which is probably better for you, right? But not available for most people. That's right. And we tend to imitate our atmospheres. And you see that in thought bubbles. And I think that's another problem that we have with social media. And there's these thought bubbles. And people just sort of gravitate towards them. You stay in them. And if you're busy, you just sort of get affirmation from that thought bubble. And you never think outside the box. Yes.

And then got put back, well, let's talk about that because you came on for your book that I've referenced many times, and it's called Tell Your Children, and I think it's, I think it's important. I think when we talk about these things that some people like to use recreationally, like, even gambling when you talked about, we have to be aware that there's consequences. to these things too. It's not an even ride. It's not like every person is going to handle every situation well. Now we had a podcast yesterday with Kurt Engel, you know, a Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and he was a WWE champion, amazing guy. And he had a real pill problem. And he had a pill problem because he broke his neck like five times. It's like crazy. He wrestled in the Olympics with a broken neck. Wow. Broken vertebrae in his neck and won. I mean, just the freak of freaks. Um, but so he can do that, but he got hooked. He got hooked. I mean, this is like a man whose mind is as strong as any fucking human is ever blocked the face of the earth. You can win the gold medal in the Olympics and wrestling wrestling is one of the most competitive grueling insane physical contests that are in the Olympics is like boxing and wrestling are two of the craziest. Yes, judo judo is pretty crazy. But God, those guys are strong mentally and for that guy to get hooked on pills. Like, God, like that, imagine.

And I also had Peter Berg on the podcast, who's brilliant and Peter, who did that film before Netflix. This, this series is not now, painkiller. He said he tried an oxycontin once, recreationally, and he was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I could never do this again. I'll never do this again. But he's got a mindset that can see that and go, oh, I see where this is going.

And that's just a function of freedom.

Right. Well, you could see it from their perspective, too. They're like, why should we give the revenue to Vegas? We can handle it here. Right. Our residents should be able to gamble here. And there's a percentage, whatever that percentage is. And I don't know if it's genetic or if it's based on personal experience in gambling, like maybe it's like oxycontin, like Peter Burke took one. But if he took like as many as Kurt Engel did, he would be physically hooked, too. That's right. Maybe there could be just you chasing bad money a couple of times. And next thing you know,

So how do we balance that with the freedom to be able to do it? Like how do we say that it has to be regional? Like how do we say that you can go to Vegas, it's totally legal, but you can't gamble in Michigan. That's a fair question.

So is the solution that we just have to have more people available for counseling and more rehabilitation centers? Is that the solution?

I think putting it in every- You don't think gambling rehabilitation works or any rehabilitation works.

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Sometimes though people are motivated by other people's feedback. So is there a point of no return or is it, it's got to be variable for different people? I think for some people rehab is probably very beneficial, especially because they get a chance to talk to someone who made it out of it. Who was telling us about this rehab guy that came in cracked out of his mind? I was Brian Simpson. They got, he was like a counselor or something like that. And then one night, he just went off the wagon and came back to work at the morning and everyone's like, hey, are we supposed to pretend that you're not the crackdown of your mind right now?

But then the argument against legalization. Here's the problem. And you know, I've talked about this ad nauseam if you heard this. I'm sorry. When I was a kid, if someone was on heroin, that was fucking super rare. It was super rare. You would know that guy's off the deep end. Like Johnny's out there and the woods doing heroin. Like, whoa, like that guy's gone. But now, to hear, oh, my uncle got hooked on pills is super normal. Right. It's super normal. Right. And now because of these documentaries, we know like what was the root cause of that, but now once it's kind of been established that this is a recreational thing for people. So what do you do? Do you outlaw it? And then what does that do? That empowers the cartels because there's the demand already.

Wasn't that done before in other countries, to kind of ruin countries, like introduce heroin?

Well, you and I weren't alive. That's true. So I don't think we should be ashamed. But I think human beings in general have done some really fucking heinous things. We just want to pretend that they don't do them anymore. No, no, they do. But isn't it interesting? It's part of the pushback of all this stuff from people that have no stake in the game other than that are a human being. is that you're saying something that shatters their narrative. They have a narrative, they've established about what's good in the world, how the world, what's the right thing to do in the direction we have to go, and these people looking out for us, and these people are Nazis. And when you have that, and something comes along and says, hey, there might be something a foot here. You should pay attention, like there's some data you should look at. We have a long history of people lying about all kinds of things. You know, if there's the open more fucking everything throughout human history, but for whatever it is like now we don't know hey, that's not that's oh this conspiracy theorist. Oh, this guy, this is wacky guy with his fringe ideas, he's an alt-right hero and like, oh, okay, I get it. I get it. I wish the world was perfect, too. I really do. I wish there was a guy in the White House that was this amazing human being and a shining example of what's possible from just a person, a loving person wants to take care of a nation because they really believe in them. But this is like, you got me laughing, but it's what we want, and we never get it. We never get it. It's like fucking, it's Charlie Brown and Lucy. That's what Paul says, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get Yeah. That's a normal thing if you've been nature too. It's a weird thing about human nature. We're always led by someone. It's very strange because it seems to be a part of just our programming that we have, we've kept since we were primates in like the jungles. Like there was always a leader. Like if you have watched that chimp nation show, an amazing show in Netflix. These scientists were embedded in this chimpanzee group for 30 years. And so the chimpanzees had become totally comfortable with human beings as long as there were 20 yards away. So they never moved any closer than 20 yards. The chim moves closer to them. They back away. They never have food. It's a bunch of rules about what to do and what not to do. But if you follow those rules, these chimps behave as if they're just chimps in the jungle. So it's this incredible opportunity to watch their social hierarchies. And it's just like people.

And it's the young people that are challenging the leader and the leader has to beat them down. And it gets to a certain point in time when the leader can't do that anymore. And he has to relinquish. And it's all about the relationships they develop while they're leaders. And those are the ones that can go on the longest. That's the same thing with human beings. It's like God damn it. It's literally our programming. And we've surpassed it in our ability to communicate, in our ability to understand the variables and the amount of variables. But we still are operating in this empire arc. It's really crazy because if you watch that champ empire show and you think of us like you oh my god, this is what our problem is we always want to have a leader we always want to run things we always want to tell other people we get power out of telling other people what to do Some people just get their jolly's like, you know that if you have a bad boss and the boss like yells at all the people in the warehouse like, fuck, just wants to humiliate and be in charge. Yes, they want to beat their chest and and you want to do the fucking trees and shake them.

Yeah, right? Like in the only pre-pollution be president or people don't want that job. You know, it's like John Dutton and Yellowstone. He has to become governor. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's really like fucking, it's got a similar. Yes. Jesus Christ.

Oh, not just though. I mean, all of them, all of them, these people are hanging in. It's amazing. With like hormone replacement and adorol and whatever else they have to take, these folks can keep going, keeping their 80s. Except that Mitch McConnell guy. No, no, he's he's having some real ones. He's just gonna fall over. He's having some real moments like that if that in any other job like imagine if you're a train conductor and you just freeze up Charlie Charlie the crossroads. It's coming Charlie Charlie's just Locked up like windows 98.

You got control all delete Charlie before this fucking train crashes, but but you can do it if you know you're a high ranking politician in the greatest country the world ever known. It's very strange, you know, like Diane Feinstein doesn't want to relinquish her, her throne. But what I understand is it's also all the people that work for her, too. And they all have like a whole system. It's probably not even her that's getting things done. It's a giant staff. And if she stays in office and the giant staff keeps doing what they're doing. Yeah, I don't even know if it's a giant staff, but the incompetent staff.

That's when she started.

She's hot. The thing is, man, when you get that job is like any other job. If that's what you do, if you play football, you fucking, you're used to colliding with people and scrambling for the ball. That's what you do. What they do is govern. Like why are you not telling me? Like why are you going to tell Mick Jagger he can't tour anymore? That's right. Come on, man. He looks awesome out there. What are you gonna do? They're fucking politicians. What do we expect? That should be like fucking, there should be some sort of a cognitive test or something at some point in time. It should be like, look, we really need. Can we give you another job? Like a second job?

Why don't we move like the elders or statesmen into a different bracket and like advisors? have them be advisers to discuss policy their year. Wouldn't that be great? Yeah. If like the senators could go and meet with the advisers are still around, they'll back in the doves.

You know what I mean? There's got to be a way to do it where you have like more vibrant people representing whatever they're representing. Yes. But it's also they don't want to relinquish power. And they've got a really good grip on it now. It's really if you want to run a country like within the rules and kind of dominate it, they've done an amazing job. Because they've done it all within the rules. It's like it's pretty clever. Yes. It's like if when you Donald Trump is talking about not paying taxes. Yes. You know, it's like, yeah, you guys set it up like that.

And they're allowed to. And they're allowed to. And that's their job, right? That's what's interesting. Well, they're job. Well, there's one guy's job. And that guy's job is to invent medicine. I mean, not one guy. Yeah, but one group of humans. And then the other people are that their job is to sell it. The jobs get it out there. in the very different kinds of thought processes I would imagine. And that's part of the problem with like business and medicine when they're together. It's like either we're looking out for each other or we're trying to make insane amounts of wealth from each other. That's right. Both of those things are like that's two ways to look at the healthcare for a country. Either we say the whole reason the system is in place is to make sure that everybody is healthy and if you get injured we can help you. If you could do it that way, that would be wonderful. The other way to do it is saying, we got to fucking get you on as much shit as possible because the more stuff we sell to you, the more money we make. And if there's a reason to recommend it, we're going to recommend it because you want to make our reps happy, want to make the hospital happy. And unfortunately, that seems to be real too. It's very real. So that's real too. So that's a real possibility in today's modern age. And I'm sure there are people that fall into the former. I'm sure there's no doctors that are great human beings and they really enjoy being able to help people. Yes. It's not. It's just like it's just that's how a system works when a system has the opportunity to make more money by doing certain things. It's like, it's not the scientists that are doing trying to, it's like, there's a whole system.

And that's almost like a fiscal responsibility to your childhood. That's really crazy. That's what's really crazy. It's really crazy about it is that money and medicine are all combined. And it's not saying that doctors don't deserve money or that people that develop medicines don't deserve money. They certainly do. They work really hard. What I am saying is, when you have anything that gets wrapped up in a lot of money, people want to make more. You don't want to make more.

You know, I don't like making, you know, X amount. I want to make Y. Why don't I get to why? Yep. What do I have to do? I'm going to sell this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to make some unnecessary, these or those and do a few things to people that maybe it didn't need.

And then there's real things that people thought were conspiracies, real things like incentives, and that showed up during the pandemic as well. They got paid per case for people that had COVID, and they got paid per COVID deaths, and they got the whole thing was weird. It's like, if you financially incentivize the treatment of a pandemic disease, That's seeing, like, I understand that hospitals have to make money, but isn't there a fear that you label something COVID-deft you get more money that people would use that on things that weren't necessarily COVID especially if there's no oversight. Oh yeah, of course. They're not combing through your fucking books.

We want to talk to about it on the podcast and people said he was making it up.

You're saying if you got bit by a shark and you got COVID, they would call it a COVID death. Yes, it was.

Yeah, it's free $9,000. Your loved ones already gone. Yes. The whole thing is just so slippery because, yeah, you would, if in, you know, if everything was perfect, you would say maybe it would be good to help these people the funeral. Maybe it would be good if you.

What do you think would it be like if people started promoting that for obese folks? If you're obese and you die, you get nothing to do. It was bankrupt the federal government. Grandma was obese.

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It's just human beings.

Maybe you don't think that way. You don't think that way. You just think I can get it. Right. And I mean, this system and the system is fucked already.

Except talk about it and make sure people know. Talk about it and make sure people know and you need senators to call the stuff out. And we need, you know, need people that run these companies to be. Just to have their ethical boundaries, you know, because they make great stuff. The thing about pharmaceutical drug companies is like, I would never say we don't need them. That's crazy. And we people, they've helped. You know, many drugs is the pharmaceutical companies that we currently demonize because of this thing, this for profit aspect of it. But how many of them have brought drugs to the market that have fixed all sorts of problems that people have been suffering for forever?

Yeah, they just can't go ham. They can't go crazy and force people to take your stuff. That's a bad relationship. A good relationship is a consumer and a provider. And the provider develops these drugs that are very beneficial to people and most of them are a lot of them are.

They do have drugs that they develop that are really beneficial for people. They really do. They're real. And we can't fucking throw out the bait with the bath water. I just think that the problem is also the process, right? Because to bring a drug to market costs so much fucking money, it costs it crazy. It's so prohibitive for most, if you were like, Some pharmacologist or some biologist and you guys were working together and you developed something. You had this idea about a pathway and you figured out something and maybe this could fix it. And you really figured it out. Good, fucking luck. Right. Good luck. Right. Getting that thing approved.

That's done. It's a fantastic book about just that. And the beginning of it is they talk about the conditions that people lived in because you never really think about it. Like, what would it be like to live in a city before there were cars? Well, guess what? Well, nothing gets to you. You're not getting fresh vegetables in the winter. You're not getting vitamins. That's right. It is massive malnutrition, starvation, extreme poverty, people living in squalor, terrible sanitation. I mean, if open outhouses for entire blocks of people, and just crazy diseases. and they all lives on top of each other. And again, malnutrition, no vitamin D, no sunlight exposure in the winter, et cetera, et cetera. And a lot of those people got horrible diseases because of that just like they did in the olden times, like we know about when people dump shit in the streets.

Unless you're Vince McMahon.

He goes to gym at three o'clock in the morning, sleeps two hours a night. So there's that canary in the coal mine. That's right. I'd see him in the end too. Yeah, well, that's only four years from now. But the reality is you're right. It's, you know, but it's also, there's a lot of complicated factors in being healthy and they don't all involve medicine. No. And it's not just there. It's joking. No, no, that's legit. I think he was 76 or 74 then. So it's four years ago.

Modern science. Right there, baby. Look at that. Look at him. Jacked 76, 78 year old man. Jacked. He keeps it rolling. The train kept rolling with him. Yeah, man. There's a lot going on with people's health and the reality is we We rightly should attribute a lot of it to medicine. It's great. They did a lot of great stuff. But also, there's a lot of other factors. And the factor with like, plagues is like the sanitation systems that we had in this country at the beginning of the 19th century, they were horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

Terrible disease. That's all gangs in New York. People forget. I think you think in New York, do you think you like Fifth Avenue? Like, what an amazing place to visit. fact that it was horrific little Johnny came home with a cold in the next day was dead horrific yeah people would just die in left and right you know one one thing that I I also found out that was fascinating was about the Spanish flu you know the Spanish flu killed so many people right killed a shit ton of people. But they said that what it killed people from is not actually the flu itself, but the side disease is it's it's it come with it and that you could have cured those within and by all that. Back to her own pneumonia, yep. That's true. Back to her own pneumonia and what was the other one? There was another one. I think they did.

Was it that? But they said they could have cured those with antibiotics.

If that happened to it. Like the fear was always at the Spanish flu happen today. But because medical science has progressed, if that's the same flu camera outside, they would actually be able to do it.

This is a conspiracy theory, and this is getting you kicked off YouTube. It's not a conspiracy theory to say a game out of a lab. Isn't it funny that it used to be? Yes. Used to be racist to say it. That's right. Used to be something wrong with you. It did an amazing job of gaslighting people.

So what seems like the people in the lab were patients zero, right?

Yes. Most likely. Yeah. It's just, that's weird how little outrage there is about that.

Is there any benefit from that kind of research?

It should all be stopped. Period. Do they just do it because that's what they do? Yes. Just like we do research. And I want to do research on coronaviruses and how to make a more infectious. Yes.

But is there any benefit in understanding those things so that they can develop drugs to combat them? And probably no. And also, there's a problem with that, because if you literally have a thing where you have a cure for a thing, and if that thing gets out, then you can sell that cure. If your doctor evil, you're gonna fucking open the hatch.

Um, no, it would hope nobody would ever do that. But you would hope. But there's been people in the world that have done some horrible, like we know Hitler was a real guy. We know that was like, like that, never happened again. are you fucking sure right are you totally sure there's been genocide since them seems like the only way this boy I mean we have to figure out a way to like catch up to our abilities like catch up as a species

I mean, so the last we have the ability to like affect so many people in negative ways with like with whatever it's drugs and all sorts of things that we do.

Which is really astonishing.

I hate to take you off track. But when the nuclear bombs were first detonated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and I think with some of the tests too, right after that is when people started seeing a lot of UFOs. That's like the folk lore behind UFOs, they all started coming after 47. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. So I would ask you, what the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on? When you see all this UAP stuff and all these people that are whistleblowers and they're talking about crashed retrieval programs where they could recover crashed UFOs and back engineer them like, what's going on?

There have been places where large groups of people seen it, and there's a place in Brazil, Virginia, Brazil, and there's a very interesting documentary about it called Moment of Contact. And there was a crash. There was a crazy lightning storm. And there was a crash. And they claimed that there was actual live beings. And one of these guys took one of these beings to a hospital. They were used that brought to another hospital. I think they wanted to bring me to a third hospital. The guy who is carrying this alien. supposedly. But this is a fact. This guy died of some incurable bacterial disease that they had no hope of fixing. It just overcame his body and he was dead very quickly and he was a young guy. I think he's dead less than two weeks. and they were tripping that to him carrying this fucking alien. So whatever the body, the alien body. I don't know. They say that the United States Air Force flew a jet and this is in the documentary. They say that flew a jet to Virginia Brazil to recover whatever this thing was. Because they have a, you know, recover retrieval program. Who the fuck knows, man? Every time I even say it, I sound so dumb. I listen to stuff like people leave this. Do you believe this? I do think we just crashed in F-35. That's true. There's a guy who had a fucking eject out of his jet and they're like, hey, if anybody sees one of our $800 million jets, call this hotline. This is what I'm saying. Like that's us. And that's the pinnacle of modern technology. Maybe if you just have there, it's saucers over Washington DC. What year was that James in 52? There you go. Yeah, it was a newspaper article where they had, they apparently they shot out of it. Photographed. Yeah, someone tried to shoot it one. But what does that mean? What does that mean? And you know, when someone tells a story like that, you know, maybe they did see something. I mean, how much of it did they remember, how much of they embellished? So I were there at the time. But there are fighter jets, fighter jets that have encountered them. I believe those guys. Sober, like American heroes, like David Framer. Yes. That story isn't saying, but I tend to think more than ever that it's a drone and that there's some sort of a drone program that they've kept secret that it's not a police powerful and if I had a drone program that can do wild shit like go hypersonic speeds and hover dead still in midair and operated without any visible method of propulsion I would start talking about aliens too I'd like do they're here we don't even know what they are they're off road vehicles like or excuse me off world vehicles So, and then people would go, oh yeah, aliens are here. But meanwhile, what it is is we have super sophisticated tech that your tax dollars have paid for without you having any idea it exists for your own protection. So you don't believe in aliens. I do, and I don't. What I do in, you know, of course is the Fermi paradox, like if they're out there, where are they? How can we see them? But how much can we look? That's like a guy poking his head out of a tent going, I don't see any bear. How fucking much do you look at? How much are you really paying attention? There's a hundred billion stars in this galaxy alone. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe. Like what are you talking about?

I'm most certainly think they would be interested in us. I'm most we like we like who are these fucking idiots right? Well the same way we go to the Congo and film for champ empire. It's really not that much different the same way we go to butterfly habitats and study butterflies. Like human beings are fascinated by some of the most primitive of creatures, you know, a long thought instinct fox becomes a major news story amongst academics. When people can go and travel to exotic places and especially biologists and study these animals, you know, like Everett Sapolsky's work with the baboons, fast and didn't stuff. Sapolsky who's from Stanford, right? And he's Stanford. Just brilliant guy who's done all this crazy work about toxoplasmosis. You wear that? T toxoplasmosis is nuts. It's one of the reasons why they tell women and not handle kitty litter. Toxilplagmosis is a cat parasite that grows in a cat's gut. And when it gets on rats, it rewires the rat's sexual reward system and makes the rats sexually attracted to cat ear. And it removes their fear of cats so that the cats devour the rats because the only way that that parasite can reproduce is inside a cat's gut. So the parasite reproduces inside the cat's gut, comes out and cat shit and then people get it. And people get it from cat shit. You might get it from an open wound. You might get it from handling it. But when people get it, it makes them more reckless. He said there's a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims. Crash victims that are toxic. Plasmosis infected. Oh, and one point to point time France was like 50% of the people had toxic plasmosis. And that wild. That is wild. And it changes behavior. It affects behavior.

And it's a fucking parasite that like half a population of a country had.

weird parasites and fucking monkeys and giraffes and everything. There it is. Talks positive considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States. More than 40 million men, women, and children in the US carry the toxop plasma parasite, but very few symptoms because immune system usually keeps the parasite.

Interesting, right? It's a very bizarre parasite, but we study fucking penguins, man. It goes to say, oh look at the same. The march of the penguins is, you know, people study them. They love to watch organisms. You don't think they'd want to watch us?

I think they might be. I think they might have made us. They might have made us. We might really be a biology project, and that's not a joke. If you think about the weird thing with primates and us, we're so far past them. We are so in another dimension of reality, with communication with our ability to create technology and alter the world, we're in a weird place. How would we get here so quick? Like how did that happen? How the doubling of the human brain size, the biggest mystery and entire biological record, how did that happen over two million years? Human brain size doubles. People start walking up right and talking to each other. What happened? And if I was an asshole for another planet, and I came down here, I'd be like, You know, it's like when people take it, they take a wall from they breed it with a chihuahua because they're a dick. They want to see what it looks like. I wonder if they would do that to us. I wonder if they come and they'd say, you know what we could do? I just add a little of this to these things. These crazy shit throwing wild primaps. Yeah, just give them a taste of alien DNA. I'll do some stuff here and there. You know, just see how it works. Do a couple different versions of it.

I mean, it's here. Take care of yourself and it's a cold. Nobody wants to say that. It's like it's just like this for boldened things. Come on, kids. Let's be real about it. Let's be real about it now. Yes. You know, and if you, that Kathy Holtziel thing, which he was on TV saying, you know, you have to get, this is, this is a new vaccine. The old one's not going to work for it.

I think a lot of people care. I don't think it's a few people. It's just uncomfortable. All these things are so uncomfortable. You know, it's just a reality that people would sell things that don't work just to make money and they could put your risk. But it's like if they can they will, if they have it for sale, it's like, we're going to get this stuff off the shelves. You're on. We've been developing this. We developed this thing for the variants. So this is a number I just tested on 10 mice.

Yeah, cheese.

Yeah, it's hard to turn that's big it off.

Well, can you though if you if you put something out and you like again, we're bringing this back to the obligation to your shareholders and how to run a corporation versus like what's the right thing to do, right? If you have something and you haven't been called out for it, and there seems to be enough gaslight and going on in the media that it sort of obscures the reality of it, you're supposed to keep selling it. I mean, if that's what your company does, right? I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying like, if you don't know,

I wish the game was we want to make medicine to make you feel better and if that medicine doesn't work we try to come up with a new one. Sorry. That's right.

That's not the game. It's just isn't it sort of just that amount of money involved in developing one of those things. The incentives to pass it through regardless of whether or not it's effective are so strong. Yes. Because you're so in the fucking red before you could get out of the game. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something as small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak, providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the Moan Smart Water Monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow.

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Well, before you get out of the gate, you're into this thing, a billion dollars or whatever.

How many people say that to you all casual? And now I'm soon to go.

You have a T-shirt on, like, you're a YouTube streamer.

I do. I do. I do. I do. It drives me crazy. For clicks.

Well, he's calling you a grifter because you're making money from what substance.

You write about many things.

But, you know, the whole thing is that having that as an argument seems kind of crazy. Like it should be based on whether or not he's right. That's right. And also, like,

So by July of 2020, can you explain to people that don't understand how that could be possible? How does a vaccine promote a variant?

Is there any dispute in this because there was a conversation that I got in with a friend of mine at the very beginning of the pandemic and he was trying to tell me that his doctor was telling him that it was the unvaccinated people that were causing variants.

And I sent him some YouTube videos. I'm like, this is what I've read. And what is his name, Geart Vanderboss? Yes. He's an expert. And what is he? He's an epidemiologist, or I forget what he is. He's something to do with vaccine. Yes. But he understands the whole pathway. He's like you never mass vaccinate during a pandemic. Yes, especially with something that doesn't offer. That's weak. Yes.

I don't know if that's the case, but I do know that I mean if you have a vaccine that protects the people that take it What is what is the why you've mandating it for the people that won't be protected. That's right. If it does work That's right. You should probably encourage people to take it if it works But the people that don't take it. Hey, let those people get sick if that's what they want to do like is that That's right, and they'll figure it out because who are they going to get sick just other people that haven't been vaccinated if it really works That's right, that's right, and then people that eventually catch on right, and then they would figure it out like you don't have to mandate it

I was talking with my friends in the day about it. I was like, imagine if for some reason, we were actually talking about fluoride in the water. But it's a similar analogy. Imagine if some people are more susceptible to skin cancer, so we put sunscreen and apples. Like, people would go, no, I want to fucking just a regular apple. No, no, no, you need this. It's for everyone. We have to protect the other people that are vulnerable. So this is how apples come now, because people love apples. What kind of craziness is this? You guys put medicine in the apples? That's right.

But that's what the standard has to do. But you know that there's, there's associated lower IQs that, oh, this is that have higher floor. That I did not know.

We were trying to figure it out. Like, we're like, why is Florida in the water? Like, I've heard wacky conspiracy theories. Like, that the wackiest ones is like, it's to make people dumber and more docile.

I do because I can't imagine there are people who are so in the throes of that thing. I think people when COVID was in, it's just full phase. And there was a heightened, it's hard for us to remember, because I think it was very traumatic. Because when you have a situation, it's like people after 9-11, their memories very far. COVID is very traumatic in a way that like was a long, slow drip of trauma in a weird way where it gave people horrible anxiety. There's a invisible thing that's going to kill us all and you got to stay in your house. You got to take the medicine and get boosted. I don't think people got off that ride, man.

But you go, it was the mindset of the country to do something. And if you got vaccinated, you were a good person. Yes. And if you didn't, you remember like people saying like you're pointing to loaded gun at someone's head, if you're not vaccinated.

That said the unvaccinated will experience a winter of severe illness and death patients is wearing thin Yeah, I remember that we've been patient but our patients is wearing then that's so crazy if it already was proven that it didn't work You know people didn't one person get COVID while they were in the the the the test

And that's why they have to have long term studies.

Yes. But we didn't have the luxury of long term studies. So they seem to have, we chose not to. It's just the weird thing was that the ignoring of natural immunity. That was very strange. That's another weird one. Not just ignoring, but I had intelligent people that I respect trying to convince me that I should get vaccinated right after I recovered from COVID. And I was like, well, I don't think that scientific. I think if you read the data, it shows you that you have a much higher level of immunity from recovering it from it naturally. That's the data. I'm not in this on encouraging people to go get COVID, but I'm saying that that was what the data said. So like, and that, well, you get even more protected if you get vaccinated, I'm like, okay, but Is that more risks like what is the risk factor now? Like is it because that's what I've heard there's like an elevated risk factor for adverse side effects if you've just recovered from COVID. Is that true? Yes, that is true.

They want to meet and join the club. That's right. That's what it was. That's right. I'm in the club. I took the vaccine. Did you take the vaccine? I got the new iPhone. Do you got the new iPhone?

Yeah, they got us they got us. They played us against ourselves and and people they they literally enjoyed like And when those rules turned out to not neither be accurate, scientific, or even beneficial. When those rules turned out to be bullshit and actually detrimental, nobody apologized, nobody cared.

What did you tweet something about the numbers?

This is what it says. So the CDC's own data admits that you get a hundred to two hundred thousand severe side effects per one million doses.

Isn't it wild that what you said is controversial? Isn't it wild? It's wild. It's a sign of time. What he said was dangerous. Like, oh my God, what is he saying? That's right. Like, people listening to that, that are branch covidians that are all in and still supporting the vaccine. I know it works because I took five and I'm still alive. Like, there's, there's people out there like that. I've read comments. I know I look at that renown then I'll dive into someone's COVID debate and read what especially from like hardcore lefties that are still all in on it. Yep, I would start in the mask again.

Is that really did they get that hyperbolic? That part I'm exaggerating though, but that was a real headlight of like man like I really went for it.

Okay Maybe not maybe not at all like What point in time did we just look at reality and stop being so fucking tribal? Because if I think if the people that had gotten vaccinated, the people that got talked into it, maybe some of them that regretted it, if they didn't have a stake in the game, and they could just look at this thing for what it is, they would be like, what? Right? Like, as it is now, they'd be like, what are you talking about? But there are, he's so invested in being team vaccine.

Isn't it just like team vaccines also team Ukraine? It's like it's weird.

That's a complicated conversation. Yes. It's a very complicated conversation.

Right. And also you don't want to feel responsible. So anything that comes, it's confirmation bias that can give you some sort of a feeling of peace that you didn't fuck up. and give the wrong thing to your kids and take the wrong thing yourself. And anything you could do to comfort yourself. Because imagine if you're free of children, you give it to your children. And now also, your children has some sort of a hard issue. So people do like to hold on to their beliefs as much as they can, especially when those beliefs are integrated into a tribal ideology, which it was in some strange reason. for some strange reason rather during the pandemic being vaccinated and believing the science and trusting the experts became part of the left ideology and anyone else was a moron a Trump supporter and you know get take your horse past and die this is why this is why they don't like you because you're clearly you know not on team Trump you're not a you're not a mega guy so they can't they can't they can't sort of tar you that way so you're too you're they don't like anybody they can't categorize well we should all be uncategorizable we should all there's a lot of great ideas that come from both sides it's like the idea that does only two sides is crazy because there's so much variability so much variability in the left and variability in the right like when you look at like the craziest fucking militia guys on the right and then you look at the craziest fucking antifa people on the left like that's not representative of the right in the left representative of the worst aspects the furthest out on the edges but if you are in agreement with anything that the writers just say whether it's stuff about you know regulations the economy whatever the fuck it is you are all the sudden on the side of this goddamn militia like how did that happen right I did, you know, the Iran team, Michelle Obama's a man, Iran team, you know what I mean? You gotta go all the way with all this fucking cookingists. It's on that side. Oh, no. I just think that maybe we should have free speech. Maybe freedom of speech is actually really important and freedom isn't something that should just be dismissed. It sounds corny and cliché, but freedom is really critical.

They were unbelievable. They were so good. The people that wrote the Constitution were so good. They understood human nature so well. Yes. It's really crazy how they set it up because they're like, this got to be a way to stop dictators. We've got to be a way. And they were kind of, they were kind of on it for a while. Up until like World War II. It did a great job. They did a great job until people will amassed power and then they had the media and newspapers, they had troll newspapers and all that. And then it was like, oh boy, boys getting slippery. they did a great job of setting it up though that at least we have things that they don't have in other countries like freedom of speech like that the first amendment is it's so fucking polarizing for some strange reason that people that have like smart people that have openly said maybe should amend the first amendment yes so so this is so I wrote this in a sub stack about a month ago this is very upsetting to me there was a poll that uh...

Yeah, it's unfortunate that we just have this thing in our head that this is what my team believes. it's so unfortunate because it really allows these things to take place whereas if we're rational and objective and agnostic we would look at it and go these are problems like this is a problem for all of us this is a problem for everybody but if you know that's your fucking problem I want to you know internal combustion engine bitch you know you can't fucking make we drive a electric car like everyone It's so, we're so, we have an identity, you know, we identify with being a progressive, we identify with being, you know, so whatever it is, whatever it is. And when we do that we want everyone, we want to signal to everyone else that we're on the team. So frustrating. It's so crazy. It's just, it's so crazy.

It's a good advertisement for it. Yeah. Alex Baronson says filthy.

Yeah. Well, it's certainly an inappropriate place to be grabbing dicks and titties. But I like the enthusiasm. I like the fact that they're getting after it. Um, and they probably didn't think anybody could see because it was a dark.

She stopped. Oh, really? Yeah. Cause they were doing it all the time. Wow, she's a lot of fun. Um, yeah, probably, uh, reckless human.

Come on. We have to have some fun with this. Yeah. No, I knew what you're saying.

And adults are gonna put the 100 Biden things, the greatest example. Yes. There's almost no pushback on the left. There's no outrage, no chaos.

And he shouldn't and the end of your life because he didn't think it was his. It was a DNA proof. As a child. So even after the DNA.

The thing about him is just that he's such a hot wire. He's like, you can't touch it. It's just he's too much there. You don't want to bring any attention. If you were on the left, you wouldn't want to bring any attention to him. And that laptop and those business dealings and all that stuff, because like if that was the Trump family, oh my God, it'd be like, we told you, we told you,

Yeah, no one's saying that that's good either. Right. That's the thing about someone who doesn't cheat.

Yeah. People love people in the left love to do that though, as soon as you point out anything on the left there, what about Trump? What about Trump is like, they should make a t-shirt just says, what about Trump? Because that's like one of those things that they say. And yeah, you're right, though. You're right. That kind of corruptions that's inexcusable, too. And you know, some of it is just business. Air quotes.

I'd love to hear about that business. It's fascinating.

I don't know any details behind that.

What do you think of RFK Junior?

He's a fascinating guy. You've interviewed him right? I really enjoy talking to him. What's really important is his work as an environmental attorney. What he did with the Hudson River. They cleaned up the Hudson River. A lot of it based on him winning cases. Yep. And he really cares about people, genuinely does. I think he's a good person. I really do. Would you vote for him? Yeah, I vote for him. Yeah, I would. I don't think I'm going to give an opportunity. That doesn't work out. I'm feeling they have a feeling. They've got some rascally tricks up their sleeves to keep him from ever challenging. And there's not going to be any debates. That's for sure. Yes, you know, which is it's just I just really want to know what I mean. This is like a show that I can't stop watching. If I wasn't personally involved, it wasn't something going on in the country that I turned that I live in. I would be like, wow, it's show. That's crazy. Is that guy gonna make it? Like, what's gonna happen? Is she gonna be the president? Like, is Russia gonna nuke us? I would be like, what a show. They show's crazy. You know, you get the opium is legal. You can sell pills, but marijuana is not. Okay, mushrooms aren't. But, you know, fentanyl is like, okay, this show's crazy. Look, they got alcohol, they dry fast, they're putting speed cameras up all around LA now. They've got to give put in speed cameras up or they give you a certain ticket for X amount of miles you go over the speed limit. Yeah, see if you can find that I just saw this It's like, okay. It's a big brother's watching to drive, watching you drive down the street now.

I don't want to interview anybody. Oh, how about that? Speed camera Bill and California heads to Newsom for approval. Please, Gavin, don't do this. Oh, you know he's going to do it. Please don't. Eleven miles over. Yeah. Issue automatic tickets for driving drivers going at least 11 miles over the speed limit. Cameras would be prioritized in areas surrounding schools, high injury intersections, and known street racing corridors to reduce speeding and traffic fatales. Oh, well hold on a second. You put it that way. I'm like, OK. Yeah. Are there certain areas? But the problem is once you allow it in that area. Like, oh, we're going to try to prioritize means enough. Yeah. Prioritizes a weird word. Yes. Um, but if that's the case, cause like those fucking street takeovers, like that's bananas, like these fuck, and how many times do you have to see on Instagram some dudes dancing around the circle? And the guys spin around his car and hit one with the ass and sometimes I'm flying to the air. Jesus Christ kids get the fuck out of that circle. I know it's a thrill, but get out of there. I'm a pure Darwin. That's get out of there, man. You know, it's like those, like you'll see it even in the tour to France. Those people on the side. Yeah, it takes someone to fight. All the time, it happened all the time. And then there's like 83 of them going down. Right. I mean, trusting just regular people to stand there. Like, one's going to be a moron. One's going to be on their phone. One's going to have a text that they can't not answer.

They're going to talk so much. Well, also, the fucking, when you have like car races, when they like to do in those rally races, like those people are out of their mind. Those things come sideways around corners. There's people right there. But at least those are experts. Those street racing kids are just nuts. Look, how is that? That's tree takeover thing.

You wish you were in one of those cars. What? How dare you? I'm not interested in that at all. I don't want to spin around our circle. I have zero desire to spin around our circle. But I mean, I wonder if that was like, was fast in the furious about that or was it before that? So this tree takeover has been before?

80s and Oakland. Wow. in formal social gatherings of Bay Area youth side shows. That's what they would call them. So they would just take over in intersection and start spinning around, sort of. How long did you last?

That's 14 minutes. Guys have like held up an intersection for half hour just spinning around circles.

It's kind of anything girls. What a wild thing to do though to make everybody stop so you can drive in a circle in your car and everybody does. They know what's going on until they all just deal with it. What are you going to do?

Now listen, this is code to the show for the people out there who just don't know. If your car is real clean, then bring it. If it's high performance, then swing it. If it's a motorcycle, you better serve it. And if you get it, take it, you better deserve it.

No, dude. If you get it, take it, you have to deserve it. Yeah, don't do some bitch ass thing, get to take it. Shut the whole intersection down, do donuts.

Yeah, that's a different thing. But it's a lot of those cars like those souped up fast and furious type cars, right? Aren't they like a lot of like souped up cars or cars clean? Bring it. It's not well. Okay. I guess it's just what a crazy thing to do to people. I can wait until you do donuts.

Yes. Yeah, they didn't want those here. They do them everywhere. It's all of the country now. It's like kids want to be kids like they heat the seat on Instagram. But I guess they don't see the ones where the ass and hits the people and they go flying. Oh, no, that's they're definitely seeing. Dude, there's so many of those people don't know how to control high performance cars and they just get on the gas and things spins around a circle and swans into a telephone pole. There's so many of those. Oh, to be young. Oh, to be dumb. Not know how to drive a car.

I've seen Instagram ads imagine coming home from vacation. There's a party going on. You have to get a ticket everybody out.

Is it? It should be. Yeah. Yeah, it should be, but they can't make those movies anymore.

They can't make those movies. You try to make stepbrothers today, you did. Can you? And sold.

Isn't that crazy?

Wasn't that long ago? No. They killed the genre. They literally killed wokeness killed the bro, the really over the top ridiculous comedy genre. You know, like super bad. You could never do that movie today. That's true. It's a fucking brilliant movie. It's so funny. That movie. No way.

Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh Yeah, but me, my brilliant movie, you can still watch it. You know, it's like back in the day when we were free. Yeah, tend to be ridiculous. Yeah, it's so quick. It happened so quick. Social media. People gathered together in echo chambers and decided what was acceptable and what wasn't and forced it on every day.

I think there's enough understanding now that the vast majority of people don't like that. The vast majority and also the vast majority of people think that context is important and that humor is important and that fun is important and that I don't like when other people are telling me how I have to think and talk. like you should be willing to let people you want to call yourself a zirr that's great but you get mad at me that I won't use that made up word like this is bonkers this is just bonkers you know if you have makeup on long hair in your girl and you tell me you're non-binary and you I have to call you a zirr I'm like I don't want to participate you know this is not my my dance like you can go code fucking cosplay do whatever you want I don't know you know dress up like an angel I don't care but I don't like it when people start reinforcing their ideology on other people and that's part of what goes on whenever people have the ability to do it When people have the ability to tell other people what to say, how to think, they just do it, whether they're right, where it's right or not. They don't want them to debate it. They just want you to comply and they'll say things to you like you should just be quiet and listen. They'll say things like that, which is amazing thing to say. Just be quiet and listen when woke people are educating you. Oh, just be quiet and listen. Okay. Well, that would make it easier because as soon as I start talking, your argument's gonna fall apart. What?

Yes, exactly. And it's also that it wasn't the person who created DEI just came out and said it didn't really work that well. Is that true? That would not surprise me. Isn't that something that just happened, Jamie? I'm pretty sure I saved it because it was so bonkers. I was like, this can't be really have to look into this. Let me look at it real quick because it was so cookie that I was like, I need to read this. And because a lot of times, and guilty of charge, if you ever thought I did this, if you see me come on this podcast and just start talking about shit, but I probably just read the headline. All right, what am I looking up again? D-E-I, right, right, right, right, right. I got it in here. I know I do. Okay, here it is. Jordan Peterson tweeted it and it was tweeting yet. He was quote tweeting Michael Sherman. I'll text you, Jim. So all that stuff became, explain that to people what DEIS and how it came to be and what it does and what it's impacted.

So they want people representation in, you know, here it is. Even Harvard psychology professor, who, I say his name, Mazzerin, Banaji, has come around. She literally pioneered the research upon which all the DEI nonsense was hypothetically predicted, predicated rather not alone, no second Greenberg II, for her to write this in the Wall Street Journal. It's astounding, this is Freud, Abjurd, Psychoanalysis.

Sure. Michael Schermer says a astonishing admission from the pioneer of research on implicit bias, bigotry racism, same person, mazarian, mazarian, banaji, my apologies. That DEI training programs don't work and even hurt. Racist attitude still exists, but much improved since 1960s and most don't act on them anyway, and DEI now, and that's what Schermer wrote it.

Right. And it's also a separate octave. That's not. We used to build a billmark rather, talked about this, that we were supposed to be striving for a colorblind society. But somewhere along the line, we're told that that's not possible. He shouldn't do that because it colors important, raises important, and all these things are important, and you should, why DEI training doesn't work and how to fix it. There's no question that bias exists, there's no question that the way organizations deal with it is more likely to hurt than help. Maybe that, she's saying how to fix it. Maybe she thinks that's just needs to be tweaked.

Yeah. I mean, the real problem is everybody wants a meritocracy, right? But in this long race of self-improvement, not everybody starts at the same starting line. Well, that is true. And the reality is we put very little effort into making a better starting line for a lot of people in this country. That's an unfortunate reality of this country that is undeniable. And that needs to be addressed. That's the root of the whole thing. You can't just decide to just do something about fruit. You got to do something about what is the fertilizer for the civilization? What is the root structure of the civilization? Yes. But that needs to be improved.

It's a really good question. And you know, as a person who believes that freedom is one of the most important things. I also come from a perspective where, you know, I'm a different place in life than I was when I was 20. And what would I be like when I was 20 if heroin was legal? What would I be like if cocaine was legal? What would I have done? And that there's a reality that if you open the gates now. and you say, now all of these drugs are legal. We're going to regulate them and the way to stop fentanyl coming in in these tainted cocaine is to sell pure cocaine and it'll actually be better for everybody.

I think there's both of those things. But what I was about to say is if you did do that, you would undeniably have a certain amount of people that are going to get addicted that never would. certain amount of people that were going to lose their lives that never would. Certain amount of violent actions, car accidents, people on meth and heroin and drugs and coke and they're going to do wild shit. People are super unpredictable when they're fucked up on drugs and you're going to have real problems and that That's also true, but you know, would more people do it if it was legal. I think you're right. I think more people would try it, but eventually not.

You get to go to Europe and and see like the kids are a lot of drink wine in Italy. And so they don't there's like their instances of alcoholism and it's not a big deal to them. For us it's a big deal. Like I remember the first time I got drunk with my friends we were listening to the Led Zeppelin. My friend Jimmy and it was like It was like, we're like 15 years old, 14, 15 years old, and I got sick in a cab, like the whole day. But it was getting alcohol was crazy. If you live in Europe, it's normal. They cost, they get their kids acclimated to it. You don't let them drink, but they're allowed to have a sip of alcohol. It's not that big a deal. Don't think of it as some forbidden fruit that you can't wait to get to.

But even with, you know, adults, we know that even with adults that have, you know, reasonable ways of approaching every other aspect of your life, some of them can have a drink. That's right. They can't, they can't do it. They get fucking durable eyes and they're gone. You know, you know those guys? Yes, of course. Those are real people too. And what do we do about that? And it's a good question. But it's a question that unfortunately, there's so many pros and cons of both sides and the con of both side is crazy because you're empowering a gigantic criminal enterprise that is yes that's crazy and that was the prohibition that was the thing that was going on in America they didn't stop people from drinking whiskey but they stopped them for drinking good whiskey They're making moonshine and you know that was what NASCAR was created. Yes, you're trying to run away. They developed hot rod cars to run away from cops and they said you know we should race these motherfuckers I mean, that's literally how NASCAR started. It's kind of amazing. But there's no real. There's no one perfect answer. There's no one thing we say, you know what? If we do this, we'll have zero deaths and everyone's gonna be peaceful and the world's gonna be a utopia. There's no answer like that.

It's just the customer, the price you pay. Right. But there isn't that the thing about like peace as well. Like as long as you're willing to have, like who's the president of the Philippines, I mean, I wouldn't recommend it, but I bet it worked to a certain extent.

Have you ever seen that video from when they first started telling people, you can't have it open beer in your car?

See if you can find the video, Jamie. I think it's from the 1970s and then this ladies like, basically, we're become a communist. This guy's like, you work all day. It'd be nice. You could have a beer all your way home. It's crazy. These people are advocating for openly drinking in their cars.

Well, that's a wild one. That's a wild one. The people want to be able to just fucking booze it up by the driving.

That's when Trump wed its first light bulb. I think it'd be president. That guy I didn't even like his accent. I didn't even, I under did it. Yes. He was over the top. Yeah. But the baby next to the baby right there. That's why they carry babies around. Just put them in there. No airbags. Those cars, they fall apart and they're getting access. When I was a kid, we just sat in the back seat. You didn't wear a fucking seat belt. Everybody's bouncing around back there.

You know, like, when did this become a, was this always the case?

But you know, they're, they're because of lockdowns and COVID as well.

the climate change when it's wild. Because the thing about the climate change one, it's both sides kind of undeniable. Like it is undeniable, we're having an effect. Yeah, it's undeniable. But I watched this guy discuss, I forget what legislators, what politicians he was talking to, but he was asking them, because they were trying to figure out what to do about carbon emissions. And he said, what do you think the level of CO2, like what percentage of the air is CO2? And everybody had a gas like 5% and 7% whatever was. And he said it's actually 0.3 or 0.4. 0.3 and at 0.2 plants die.

Is that true? Find out that's true. Well, that guy was saying that. I was like, they don't know because they're just guessing. Right. So they know it is 0.3 because it's 300 per million 0.3. Right. Yeah. And there's an effect that we're having and that effect is causing the earth to be the greenest that's ever been. Right.

Don't scare them. Here's the other thing. And this is again, not denying that human beings have an effect in the climate. We clearly do. that's never been stable. No, the climate's never been stable. It's never like a flat line. Like, look, if we go back to the dinosaurs, before people started fucking around, it was a nice flat line. You always knew what day temperature is going to be on September 19, 2020. September 7, you know, come on, no, you didn't. It's like, it was all cookie. The whole thing is like this. If you watch that, like, I had Steve Cooney on, who's a physicist to explain all this.

So interesting, right? You see these people that that's why we're working so hard to remove carbon from the end. She doesn't even know it. Yep. She doesn't know what he just said. Yes, but she'll tell you that 49% of that 0.4 or 0.04 comes from trucks. Yes, comes from transportation.

We are really concentrating on climate and we're really concentrating on our impact. But we also have to be concentrating on what are the countries doing and our ability to economically compete with them and be sustainable. That's one of the really important things that we should have probably learned from the pandemic when we couldn't get stuff. That's right. Yeah, you couldn't get anything from overseas because they couldn't just go with it.

It's not a good position to be in. But that's what makes people really cynical about these relationships these countries have. They're kind of enemies but kind of not. You know, they're competing, but they're also, you know, selling each other stuff and their economies rely on each other. Economic sanctions and the most devastating.

No, don't scare the fuck out of people. But how do you not scare the fuck out of them while making them aware at the same time? They're two kind of different things. But don't tell your kids the world's gonna end in 50 years. That's all. That was wasn't that what Greta Thornberg were saying in 2015. Yeah, the idea that you can predict how this is gonna go down. Seems nutty. But really we need to concentrate on some stuff that we absolutely can control. And one of them is plastics in the ocean. Like, these people that are doing a great job of trying to figure out methods to sift that stuff out, just the sheer knowledge of how much is out there. Jeff, do you know a lot of our stuff, apparently? We used to think that when you recycled, that everything gets recycled. But apparently, they don't do such a good job recycling plastic. They just use it, put in landfills. And sometimes they ship it to other places. I think you guys don't like it.

Yeah, there's horrific, horrific imagery and videos of other countries, whether just dumping their waste into a river. And you see these river systems that just completely clogged by plastic bottles and garbage. And whoo, humans are so fucking weird. We're so weird.

No, we need to get it together. But I do think if I was an alien, I would be watching. I think if I had a guess, if I had to put my, you know, my chips on whether or not it's real or not real, I would think yes, it's real. I think they're, I think they're most likely we've been observed most likely we've been visited multiple times, why wouldn't they? If they have the capability, we'd be fascinating. Also, I think some of the stuff we're seeing is ours. I think both of those things could be true at the same time. And I think one of the ways that, again, I would obscure whether or not we have stuff like that is to start talking about aliens. That just seems like common chess moves. I was like, oh, I see where you're going. You know, if you just all of a sudden you got whistleblowers and all of a sudden you're telling me that all this stuff is real. Okay. Now I'm suspicious. I was less suspicious when you were lying about it. You know, when you're lying about, I was like, oh, they're hiding the aliens. They're hiding it. But now they're talking about, oh, you guys probably are still hiding the aliens. But you probably back engineered some shit or developed some stuff on some completely independent government funded black ops branch of physics where they knew something about magnetic propulsion or something. And they've developed some unmanned drone that can go hypersonic speeds.

Aliens? Well, if you want to go back to the old CIA documents, because there are documents that George Napp and Jeremy Corbyl have uncovered from the Freedom of Information Act where they said there was four different races that were visiting us. Yeah, and some of them are the classic graze, and some of them are what they call the tall whites. They look like Nordic people, like really pale skin and long hair, and they have their ears, they're like flat to their head, and they have larger eyes than we do. But they look almost like humanoid. Yeah, but I mean, who fucking knows? You know, it's just all just nonsense talk. It's like, like, what kind of elves do you believe in? You know, all I don't believe in leprechauns, but the regular wood elves are real. You know, I don't know, man. I don't know. I haven't seen one. I can't, I would die to see one. I mean, I would be fascinating. I'd be, I'd be willing to not tell people. Like, take me shall we? I want to know, but everybody thinks that way, right? Everybody wants to know. But until you see something, and if you do see something, you're going to go, what did I fucking see? Is that real? Like how reliable is my goddamn memory? You know, like did I just have like some internal burst of psychedelic chemicals and it tricked me into thinking that I've been abducted?

Well, that's a real question, too, because a lot of these alien abduction stories, they happen at night. And when people are sleeping and dreaming, they're occasionally people get sleep paralysis. That's a real factor. And then dreams themselves, people have lucid dreams. They have dreams that appear that they're real. They have different levels of dreams. Like some medications you take, give you wild, vivid dreams. Yes. We know that, right? So what is happening there? Well, there's obviously some sort of neurochemicals that get released during sleep that appear to be if not hallucinogenic. Maybe they're definitely psychedelic. What are they doing? Are they connecting your consciousness with some other realm? Like what is going on? And I could imagine if you were You know, you had one of these endogenous dumps of these naturally produced psychoactive substances, and you're lying in bed, you would see fucking aliens over you. But does that mean that the aliens aren't real? I don't know that either, because that might be how they get to you. Look at the bottom paragraph. The ICIG office did nothing to look into the information they received and David Grush on UAP crash retrieval programs. They have no information they can give to Congress cover up. This is representative Timberchett. He calls cover up.

Interesting. Well, maybe they're not allowed to. If there was a crash retrieval program, I would imagine I would say shut the fuck up. No, you can't look at it. If there's some UFO that we have and if we find out, look, how do you know how do those people working for you, whether or not someone's been taking money from Russia or taking money from China or taking money from Iran? How do you know? How do you know there might be some guy that works for you that's a spy? You can't let everybody come in and see the UFO. It's on a need to know basis. So you deny him. No. I don't know what needs to know if it's a UFO. I don't know. When they cover it up now, I'm starting to think that real.

They could explain it. If someone explained, maybe they don't know how to get it to work and then one person figured out how to get it to work. Okay. That's the whole Bob Lazar lore. The whole Bob Lazar lore was that they hired him to be a propulsant expert. So in back engineer this thing, they didn't know how it worked. And then initially, he was like, oh, that makes sense. The reason why people can see those, they're ours. Okay. And then very quickly, as you examine the thing, he's like, what the fuck is this? This thing designed to carry three foot tall people that operates on some sort of gravity generator from an element that we haven't even stabilized yet. And it's only theoretical at that point. So that's what he says. This is but I how to take you down this road because I know you're like one of those guys is called bullshit on things and I know you're paying attention to it because it's everywhere I'm very COVID focused Really?

Are you worried when you do stuff like that?

And it doesn't seem like they ever really face criminal charges.

What's really fascinating is that the criminal charges they get hit with are often less than the profits they made.

When you worked at New York Times, what year was this?

Could you ever imagine that journalism would be where it's at now? No. But you know, as a person who was there on the inside of the Gray Lady, like, what was, did you notice a shift while you were there?

You think we would have been better off as a culture if she got elected? Oh, that's an interesting question. Like, you think that the separation, the polarization of the right and the left wouldn't have been so bad if she won.

Right, but I wonder if that was because Trump is such a polarized figure that I think that was the tipping point.

And he and the media if you listen to some interviews.

So I was weird. It's weird. It's weird and it just doesn't seem like it's ever going to bounce back. And if he wins again, Jesus, Louisa was going to happen.

I don't know what that looks like bananas. If he goes to jail for the crimes that they're accusing him of how long we talking about for this.

Oh my goodness. I mean, hasn't he? He's going to the country from his cell box. Would they allow him to have access to phones?

It was a, I was listening to a conversation that Dennis Prager had and I forget he was talking to David Pakman and they're having a conversation about the election and one of the things that Prager said that I thought was really interesting. Like if you knew that Hitler was an incredibly evil person and you knew that you could stop this person from getting into power by manipulating the election. It would be your moral imperative to do so. and that a lot of people viewed Trump like that. That's right. And that's that's a real thing and that's and I think they do right now like if the will of the people is that he becomes president the rest of the people that don't agree with that will go into a fucking fury of fury. Yes. If he becomes president again, like, God, what is going to happen?

The whole thing from top to bottom is just fucking bonkers.

And all the scenarios are bonkers.

It's like telling somebody shut the fuck up. If we tell somebody shut the fuck up, they don't want to shut the fuck up. The only reason why they shut the fuck up, but you don't shut the fuck up is like a threat of violence. Or if they realize they really fucked up. And they just like take a moment of reflection. But most of the time, you tell people to shut the fuck up and they're like, you know, you shut the fuck up. They get mad. It doesn't work. You know, it's like when you think you can just hit somebody because you saw it in a movie. Now they're going to hit you back. They might beat the fuck out of you. They might wait for you after school one day and kick your ass. They're not going to just take it. Like people don't just, and when you do something like that, where you just try to silence your opponent and try to jail your opponent on what some people think are trumped up charges, no pun intended. That's that makes people inferior. It emboldens and empowers the other side. Unfortunately, that's just how it goes. You know, it's like what we're talking about the DEI stuff. It's like forced stuff down people's throats and they get angry at it. Like this is the fuck outta here with this. And when you made people take vaccines, they get angry. They get angry. And it emboldens them and it enforces their idea that other people are out to get them. And that's real dangerous. It's real dangerous when we think like that. It's real dangerous. And we got to be very careful. got to be very careful about because we don't want to fucking civil war. And I just think we're almost like at this point where there's parts of one side that hate parts of the other side so much.

Yeah, that's why I didn't pick a left or right. It's like it's both sides. It's like there's evil on the right. There's evil on the left. It's just humans. It's humans in groups. You get enough of us together in a group. Certain percentage are just going to be fucking assholes.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not happy. I'm also it's like fascinating watching RFK Junior not get Secret Service Protection.

It's it's where it's gross like how is that even a thing that Hunter buy him gets it and he does how could they deny him that yeah, I mean and then there was some guy showed up heavily armed to pretend to do his own security detail just another yeah Yeah, not good. None of it's good. It's not good. It's like, but you see these power struggles and you see these power dynamics and it just doesn't take into account. It's like concentrating on short term victory, right? Short term victories when the election at all costs. But it's not looking at the big picture of the future of the nation. If you choose to bend the rules, because it's like the rules are the reason why we're great. It's a big part of why this is such an amazing place. It is the freedom speech. And if you're going to social media companies and you're the government and you're having them release or delete things that are accurate, that's not good for the nation. That's not good for all of us. It's not good for human beings as a whole. It's not good for the country that you live in as a person doing that, making that decision. That's not good for all of us.

Yeah, it's just, it's a strange time. when it comes to this because there was never social media before like the Obama administration. That's right. Right. It's this is really a new thing. But and it became what it really became during the Trump administration and became this like a boiling pot.

And that's a real problem if you're telling the truth. That's what's crazy. It's like we're not talking about someone who's advocating for violence. We're not talking about someone who's trying to take down the government. No, we're just talking about someone who's advocating for truth. You're just talking about truth. And if you've got a government that's trying to stop truth, like that's they shouldn't be doing that. They just shouldn't be doing that. Everyone should know they shouldn't be doing that.

Did they make those conclusions or are you just doing math?

It's bad.

Or dangerous. Or dangerous. Somehow under the dangerous. It's a country as a whole. That's Mal.

Mal information is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization, or country. See, but that's like, what does that mean? If you, if like, you could say, okay, but they're saying examples of Mal information include fishing, cat fishing, and doxing. Okay. Okay. Well, if that's it, but if you broadly define it as it could do harm to an organization, like information that could do harm to an organization.

So misinformation, incorrect or misleading.

Certainly misleading can be true. It could be misleading, but you could take something out of context, or it could be someone could be saying, you could be using a part of something, like you'd say, this does this, but the reason why I can't say that itself out is because there's also this, that, that happening. So you might say the one thing only.

This information refers to false information intended to manipulate, cause damage, or guide people. Organizations and countries in the wrong direction. I love that. Wrong direction.

Malinformation refers to information that stems from the truth, but it's often exaggerated in a way that misleads and causes potential harm. Oh, you mean like climate change? Like, just that kind of malinformation, then, like, a lot of the discourse on climate change. Like, if you go back to an inconvenient truth, would that be considered malinformation?

Right. You could just die that that's maligned for me. Right. That's, you're trying to cause harm, which is just bonkers.

So we'll see what happens. Interesting. It's a very important case. As is the case, was it Missouri? The case? Yes. Where they said that the federal government is no longer allowed.

No, no, their defense though isn't part of that because of advertisers revenue. Yeah. Like that's the big thing that's the wasn't that discussion that was going on recently about the Facebook ad fallout. Yes. That's just companies come to them and they say unless you police your website, you can no longer have our advertising.

That's where it gets weird. Yes. Because then you have to decide, okay, are these social media platforms? Are there a town hall that everyone should be able to participate in or are they a private company that can dictate what's on their platform, especially if not doing so hurts their financial bottom line? That's right.

Yeah, that's what's interesting is like, If there was no stepping in, would the market figure it out? Like, would sites like rumble or these other social media platforms that choose not to moderate that heavily? Right. Would they rise now? You know, a lot of people thought that was going to happen with threads, right? Like, people were tired of all the hate speech that was on Twitter and now X and they said, you know what? We're going to go over to threads. Yep.

They don't want, they don't want to be established followers and all this stuff over there. And it's just, it was convenient to bitch over there. So many people like, I'm out of here. And they do work. I don't want to go to their account. Bitch, you pose every day. That's right.

It's also people that don't like the fact that Elon Musk bought it because it seems so outrageous. This guy just spent $44 billion to own Twitter like what a nut. But you gotta get him back on. Oh, yeah. I'd love to.

Everybody has to obey. That's what he's saying now. I wonder how much that would cost.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I pay. I just feel like I'm using it. Yeah. It's a resource. I learned so much on it. There's so many articles that I find that I never would have found so many. Really fascinating things about everything about space ancient history like so many things that I find down Twitter or X now.

It's I'm never gonna forget. It's always gonna be Twitter, but I guess eventually I'll

Well, the crazy thing is you got back on Twitter before you don't even bought it.

I sued my one back on, which is Bannanas, the one court against Twitter.

and just blood and proponishment, stress, cheese. Well, I got a good lawyer. I believe you. That's why I don't want to interview any more presidential candidates. I don't even want to be a part of this cookingist. I don't understand. I wanted to talk to Robert Kenny Jr. because I read his book and I was fascinated.

None of them. I interviewed Bernie back in the day and Tulsi and Andrew Yang. I'd like to all of them. I like people with ideas that are you know, non-corporate ideas. Yeah. I just don't know if it would ever work. This is the thing that if I was ever going to talk to Trump, the one question that I really want to know is like, what is it like when you get in there? Like, what is that like? What is that daylight? What does it feel like when you're just running the show? Like, what the fuck happens? Who talks to you? I guess you couldn't even tell me, right? Because you want to be president again. But like, what do they say? Like, how do you fucking, how do you pay attention to everything? The idea that one person is in charge of the whole thing is just so nut. I don't know how you could do that.

But I would, you know, like we have this illusion of what it's like, you know, the old Bill Hicks joke. They bring you know a room full of guy smoke and cigars and they show you a video or the angle of presidential Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before. And then they go any questions. And you're like, what's my agenda? It's like, what happens when you get in there? How much power do you really have? What is that reality like versus perception? I'd be interested in hearing that.

I'm willing to listen to stuff. I'm curious.

I'll be fascinating. I would feel bad. I would feel bad. Just because, you know, he's a human being. He's a human being regardless of his past. He's in a declining state. It's obvious. Yes. And that's just, you know, just what it is.

So who do they run? Do you think if he doesn't make it, do they run Gavin Newsom? Because he said no, Kamal Harris would take the spot. I mean, Newsom certainly fits the role.

But you'd have to get someone who's popular enough to defeat Trump and who's strong enough of a politician. And that's where I think Newsom steps in. I mean, he looks like a president. He's tall, handsome, a strong personality. Yeah. He's very articulate like the way he lays things out. He knows that a steam roll you with facts and statistics that And even if they're true, it doesn't matter. No. No, he's a politician. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really good one. Yeah. So that's probably who I would imagine they would run. Even though California is a mess, but California I think would have been a mess with anybody running it during COVID. I think it was a fucking disaster. As soon as you start the lockdowns, you let people camp in the streets and you fucking the crime shit and the being lenient on bail. Yes. Oh, boy. Yeah. And the defund the police. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's a mess. Like cleaning that up. Boy, I do not envy anybody there.

I mean, I guess I have to start from right now. Yeah. They don't have to already be out there on the campaign trail because people have to really get to know them and to like, we're, we're in September of 2023. We only got a year left.

Also, soon he's running against Trump. the Trump or or bust people are not on board. Because then he becomes the enemy. That's just a sizable chunk of the opposition. The people that are in opposition to the current party, they're a sizable Trump Trump chunk rather are Trump loyalists. Yeah. And if you go against that, like that's just not a good strategy. Just like I understand you want to be a president, but like did you see the landscape if Mike Tyson is a champ and you know you're just coming out of the Olympics wait a few years bro get some fights under your belt you know like that guy is just kind of unstoppable Trump has there's some magnetism he has for all these people yeah it's it's I don't I don't understand it, but it's real You know, you're not supposed to say it, because you're supposed to be in opposition to hate them and all this stuff, but it's clearly obvious. So he's got this cult of personality that they don't have. It's like a, he's a giant figure. When you see, when he showed up at the UFC in Miami, it was bun man.

So first of all, I've shook his hand on multiple two occasions now. He has regular sized hands. So all that is crazy. All that's crazy. I pretty big hands. He has a regular size hands. And I was like, this is crazy. All these years, they mocked him for having little hands. He doesn't have little hands at all. That's so strange. That's great. And by the way, how gross to mock someone for something they were born with? That's so anti-liberal and anti-progressive. Like, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? That's funny. That's such a crazy thing to do. Like the one thing that he can't control, what about his personality? What about all the things he says? If you want to get mad at him, get mad at him for the things that you're really changeable.

Well, he's very, very, very famous. And part of people's dissatisfaction with the current regime, right? Especially people's dissatisfaction if you see Biden's state of decline, regardless of how you feel about the policies. And most people aren't even engaged. They don't even understand what's going on. Whether or not it's beneficial to people, whether or not there are more jobs and whether or not the economies. Because there's arguments that it is driven into good direction, right? There's arguments in some of the policies work. But they look at him as a figurehead, and they say this is bad, and then they really believe, because he said it so many times, the election was rigged. They really believe. I saw a lot of them really believe it. So I was in Aspen, and this lady, she's like, I'm a big fan of yours, like this grandma lady. I said, thank you. And you know that Trump's our president. I go, well, actually, he's not. Because President is Biden. If you could Google it, you could find out. He's like, oh, they got to you. Oh, no, they didn't get to me. I just like, he's actually in the White House. He won. Yeah, I don't know if he won. You don't know if he won? No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying he's definitely in the White House. Yes. Now, whether or not there's any election manipulation, I am not the one to fucking come to for any of that. But I would guarantee you that it's not zero. I would guarantee you that, in the course of human history, there's probably never been an election where there's zero election fraud. There's always some monkey business going on. But I've seen no evidence. I mean, maybe they'll show it if this trial comes about, that shows that he, maybe I should go seek it out.

Right. And then the dominion stuff.

It's all bullshit. Yeah. It seems like. It seems like it's really hard to sort out, too. Because there's so many different cases and so many different states.

I don't mean about that. I don't mean that. What I'm saying is like. It's when you are tallying, mail-in votes, digital votes, all these different things, and they have projections for these places. One of the things that Kyle Kingsbury showed me, or excuse me, Kyle Kalinsky. Hi, Kyle Kingsbury. Long time buddy Kyle Collins showed me is that when we we had him on during the election and he accurately predicted he said yes Trump is winning because these are the people that show up first But you're gonna see the Democratic surge for the mail-ins when they count those and that's exactly what happens because he's very politically aware he understands how it works. Yeah, I don't I don't dispute any of that but what I'm saying is It would be wonderful if we had a system where it was bulletproof. It would be wonderful if we had a system where it was impossible to have anything other than 0% election fraud. I don't know if that's even realistic. But if we did, but we can bank on our phones. That's right. You know, there's like federal IDs that are connected to you and this idea that IDs for voting is somehow racist is so bananas. I agree with it. This is what I mean. I mean like there was a documentary that HBO had on in a fucking like the early 90s called hacking democracy. Do you remember that? It was during the Bush administration. And they were making this argument that Bush didn't really win. And they were making this argument that you could manipulate the voting machine. So this was a die-bold machine, I believe. And they actually showed that it was somehow another. It was available for a third party input. And they did it on the show and changed a vote on the show. But it was about the Republicans.

Yeah. For nonviolent. I think you want to make sure that people never do it again. Yes. Which is probably a good thing. But also, how did it happen? Like, why wasn't there more security there? What was up with cops opening up the gates? Did you ever see some of that?

Sure. And I don't think those people were in opposition to the police, and they're probably worried about the police's safety since they were vastly outnumbered. I think there were some of that, right? But also, it's super illegal to get into the Capitol. That too. Don't do that. Like when you got Alex Jones out there with a bull horn saying, don't go in. And, you know, with that Alex Jones is the voice of reason. That's not a good side. No. But he was right. He was saying, it's a trap. And it is, ultimately it is. You know, and ultimately also they did break the windows. They did climb me, they did. No, I can't make, they should be in jail with that. No, but 20 years the long time. But the weird one is that guy with the buffalo hat, where they're like leading him around on tour. It's just like how can we didn't show that part? Yeah, that part's crazy. You guys were leading him around on a tour. Yes. It's all what a mess. What a mess. Yeah, also don't do that. Also don't do that. Don't do that. Don't ever do that. Don't ever do that. But this guy's there going in there with zip ties looking for Nancy Paul. Yeah, that was bad too. Jesus Christ. The guy that has foot on the desk. He took a photo of himself. Hey, bro, how do you think that's gonna do that? He's fucking, but that's the thing, they're not thinking. These people aren't thinking and they really do, but that's also the problem if you, if you've been told and this is the, this is the argument against what Trump did, right? Was that if you've been told the election is rigged and you're not showing like clear evidence of it, you're just putting that narrative out there. Now people, they operate as if their country's been taken over and they think their patriot. That's right. and they think they think there's almost like a God-given like not a right, but an imperative to do something.

Yeah, they won't. They're scared of them. You know, he's the big booming figure that's at the head of the fucking pack, you know, and it's just, man, it's so polarizing for the country. It's just, I wish there was two people that we respected, you know, or even one. just two people that you know like hey I don't agree with his policies about this and that but I think he's a good person and I think he's really got the best interest of the country in mind and who knows maybe their policies are correct who knows maybe his policies are correct let's find out but instead it's like hell in a hand basket no matter which way it goes and then my god would have Biden wins again right and beats Trump and then is 86 and four years and what if people just like don't believe it's real again and it gets worse than January 6 right what if that happens would if people would have trump wins and people decide the government has been overcome by fascists and we have to wage war in the infrastructure and blow up fucking generators and kill the grid.

Well, I'm just looking at this precarious position in which we stand while we're also involved in a proxy war with Russia. It's bananas. It scares the shit out of me. You know, and we were so scared of it that we'd rather concentrate on things like climate change. Like it's almost like we'd rather concentrate on things that are like not as terrifying like immediately. Like in the distance it's going to be a real problem. We could focus on it now. It's like got our choices.

Yeah, and take some vitamins. Please exercise a little bit. Not going to kill you.

Yeah, I think so. Thank you. And thank you for having the courage to talk about this stuff. I mean, it's it's amazing that a lot of the things that you got in trouble with early in the pandemic are now absolutely regarded as fact and discussed openly in mainstream circles like Dr. Lena when was on CNN which is the most mainstream thing out there and she was saying that the estimates of COVID deaths was probably actually 30% of what was reported which is what crazy thing when she said it you can see the look on the people's face like what the fuck is she saying yeah There's a lot of discussion now about the lab leak. It's commonplace to discuss it. It's commonplace to discuss the pros and cons of gain of function research. The most people are currently aware that cloth masks don't work at all. Most people are currently aware.

Yeah. And they were in some places. Yeah, we're down here. That's what's crazy. You know, what's crazy is we have examples of Florida and Texas and a lot of other places where they just opened up. Yeah. And they didn't have worse. I mean, even though like, look, we're in a bad state in terms of like the health of this country. Like the people are not that healthy. And wasn't that one of the arguments in one of your sub-stacks recently?

There's also been some real data about vitamin D. Yep. And real data about how many people it could have helped. Yep.

Well, thank you for doing that. Thanks to appreciate you. You're out there telling the truth in the beginning. You took a lot of shit for it. You really did. And a lot of people owe you an apology.

You got it. I mean, you deserve it. You know, you deserve it. You know, you do. Thanks, sure. Thank you. All right. All right. So everybody.

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