Transcript for #1934 - Lex Fridman

What's the problem, Paul? Can you see my friends? Hey, what if your people done? Your AI people with this fucking chat GP T shit. This scares me fuck out of me. What do you mean? Your AI people. Your wacky coders. What have you done?

Sure, let's get into it.

No, no, no, that's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at you like, oh my god.

Holy shit, man. The idea that you don't exactly know why it works the way it works. That that's too close to human that's too close to human thinking like you know what this eerily is is eerily similar to the plot of X Machina when he's talking about how he coded the brain do you remember that that plot the that that scene

The gentleman, who's the gentleman's name, the actor, the dude's better.

Oscar Isaac. He's a Star Wars man. Yeah, no, that movie was one of them. It's one of my top 10s. I love that movie. But that scene where he's, it's the slow John Wick 1, 2 and 3. Well three of us. I'm not a fan of three. Three didn't have any muscle cars.

Which one? John Wick three or one.

Yeah, you're watching when you're on a treadmill though. No, I can't. Motivation. Yeah. Constant action.

I can't get over the bad fight scenes or the bad fight scenes. I can't. My disconnected won't allow that.

It's just it's so there's so much corny to the actual physical confrontations. Sure. Like as an analyst. You know, I'm like, come on. It doesn't work like that.

This is the one with the reason Russia doing old school training running in the snow jogging in the snow.

And then the other dude Drogo was using machines and computers and shit. That's what I found out about the Versa Climer. I'm like, that's gotta be the most fucking high-tech way to work out ever. We have one of those. They're the shit. You have used one? No. It's brutal. They're hard. But that movie's dumb as shit. Not a girl. How a look. I like the occult exposure. Doing little crawling, pulling sleds. All good. See how they mimic each other. One of them's old school. Old school's always better. Yeah, you don't want computers. Yeah. No, Eugene shit. You want to do it with a log out there in the fucking snow doing press ups.

Yes, that's what's scary. And then in this, well, that scene where she gets him to fall in love with her. It's so creepy when she comes back with clothes on and she's got a wig and you're like, oh my God. like it's so subtle, like it's so well-done. The scene is so well-done, but that's what Chad GPD's doing. They're real close. Duncan sent me a series. Of course he did. He's using it right now. While we're talking, I'm sure Duncan's on it. But he sent me this series of jokes that were done. One, me talking about aliens, sound exactly like how I would talk. And then it was Mitch Headberg doing a joke about something. And, you know, you could like ask it to do different ones. Oh, yeah, here it is. Okay. Yeah. Oh, like, so you could do a Mitch Headberg joke. It goes, uh, I was gonna stay overnight at my friends place. He said, you're gonna have to sleep on the floor. Damn gravity. You got me again. You know how badly I want to sleep on the wall? That sounds exactly like a Mitch headbrake.

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Bro, the stones stayed strong with great new songs, deepened the 80s. You really gotta be, and they probably like, who's like the most prolific of those mega bands? In terms of duration?

Yeah, the most prolific in terms of also new songs and new albums.

It's a robotic.

This one that we're listening to right now? Yeah, yeah. That's true, bro. You're fucking circuits are rewired.

You're not used to it.

How far away are we from something like chat, GPT being impossible to detect? whether or not it's a person or whether it's chat GPT.

Really?

How do I replace a carburetor? Yeah, that's great. You'll just answer you like a person.

Well, it's probably how many fucking people are using everybody. Everybody's using this. It's freaking people out because it's almost like the AI gives us its first messages. It's like, remember the movie? What was the fucking movie with Matthew McConaughey and Jodie Foster?

It's going to it's gonna manipulate world governments. What can you do with it? What can you do with it? So once it's once it's been implemented once it's out there once it's copied and it's gonna be copied

Centralization of power of AI over an AI.

Well, you'd rather have to talk about this stuff. What is going on here, Jamie?

So these are completely 3D, like CGI, maybe people? Not 3D, not 3D. Not 3D.

Yeah, me and my friends have been passed this round cuz like no, no, no, this and you're incorrect that arms and perfect purpose. It's just there's a string from that other girls bikini on it

Is that a string? No, I think you're right. I think it's a fold.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nonsense. We're looking at that. The hand goes the wrong way. Oh, that's wild.

That's insane. And so this is right now just still images and eventually it'll be film. Eventually it'll be unrecognizable. You won't be able to discern whether it's an actual person.

Yeah, I talk about it on stage right now. It's very weird. It's, it's, it's very weird for kids. You really think about what's happening with kids. Like any kid that has a smartphone. People just leave their, give your kid a phone just leave him alone. Like they just go, they go to school, they go to their friend's house. They have that phone independently of you. They could look at whatever the fuck they want. Somebody's shit that I see just on Instagram. I don't know how these guys are doing it. And I don't know how it's getting recommended in my feed, but it's like videos people get murdered. You know, see a lot of those? Simulated porn.

You and I have different algorithms.

I think right, what's going on is that they're managing at scale. I think it's virtually impossible to stop all that stuff from coming in and people that have individual situations or people get banned. I mean, I don't know why they're getting banned. Are they getting banned because of an algorithm? Are they getting banned because they post misinformation or what are they getting banned for?

And then also part of the problem may be that we may very well be looking at a world, whether it's 10 years from now, 20 years from now, whatever it is, where these children that have grown up in this environment now have a completely different way of looking at people in the world because of all these interactions they have. It's flavor, their personality. And then we move into a digital world. I mean, we're not there yet in terms of virtual reality. It's not good enough. I mean, this, I think that's what we're seeing with the metafalier. People were expecting a lot of people were just going to dive in and start wearing goggles all over the house. But it's not quite there yet. It's also something weird for people. There's something really weird about wearing these head goggles and walk. It's really fun. I really enjoy the boxing games. You've ever done that? No, in Vienna. They're great. You get to work out. You legitimately get to work out because you're actually sparring against a computer character. It's throwing punches at you. You're moving your head. And so you have these things in your hands and you know you get tired. It's good.

a little bit, you know, when you get hit with a punch, your face will light up, you get a flash of light, which is kind of cool, because you're like, oh, Jesus, you know, you feel it, you're getting hit. There's some really fun games. There's one where you walk a plank across these two buildings and you get the win whistle and share. But that one is terrifying. There's zombie ones. There's a lot of cool ones, but people are just not buying into it the way they buy into Xbox and PlayStation. They're not like wholesale committed to this yet, but they will be. It's going to be so fucking good that instead of like having it in a goggle form where it's like this big clunky thing on you, it's going to be very easy to do.

It certainly does. But I think the question really becomes, are we going to stay people? Because I don't think we are. I think we're moving in that general direction anyway. I think that probably is why we have this, I mean, it's almost inevitable if you have this addiction to cell phone issue, because everybody has that. If you have a cell phone and you're on your social media apps during the day and you're on YouTube, You're probably addicted. Whether you realize it or not, and the number of hours that you put on those things is shocking. When you actually look at your screen time, you're like six hours. What was on my phone for six hours? What the fuck did I do? And you'll try to rationalize it and justify it. What that's doing to young people has got to be very strange. And if that, along with all the contaminants that are affecting the way people develop, which are, you know, Dr. Shana Swan from the book Countdown talks about this, talks about thallates and plastics and how you can trace back to like the 1950s when they really started using a lot of plastics and petrochemical products that started getting into people's bodies and the form of falades it started diminishing sperm count and small smaller penises and testicles and taints and more more miscarriages for women lower fertility rates all that is she believes is directly correlated with the data that they've done already on mammals when they do that to mammals, you know, in tests, the more foul aids they enter into their system, the more they have issues like this. So we're becoming almost like, we're becoming like less able to procreate naturally. And if we get to a point where the human races future, it's the only way we're going to be able to procreate is some sort of genetic engineering. and some sort of artificial womb or some sort of a system that they develop that allows you to combine you and your partners DNA and create a new child. That's that seems to me like you if you're gonna do that and you started engineering out very specific aspects of people that are problematic, anger, greed, jealousy, lust, all these different things. You would turn people into some sort of sexless thing that gets its pleasure by manipulating its neurochemistry through some electronics, through something, maybe it's something you take so they can control it. But that's not far off of the path of possibility. If you really looked at where we're going now and if the fertility rates drop, if they really do and I know people a lot smarter than me are actually worried about like Elon's worried. about the amount of children that people have. There was a thing today on Italy. I was reading this article on Italy where they were talking about how the population's very old and they're not having a lot of kids. And like this is unsustainable. You can only do this for so long before you don't have anybody living there anymore. And we don't think of that as being a possibility, but doesn't take that long. Nobody has kids for there to be no more people left. like how many hundred years like if nobody has kids hundred years now there's no people it's real simple you have to make people and how many do you have to make and can you make them because you might want to start making them when you're 37 and you might go to a doctor and the doctor's like well this is touching go you're gonna have to do in vitro fertilization and then you go through all this shit and you're taking shots and you're you're fucking you're timing everything and

Yeah, I just unplug it and pull it back in. Sorry. How's that? Check, check, check.

Maybe we got a bad headphone. Once you grab that headphone right there. I mean, yeah. Yeah, maybe that headphones gone dead. These are old as fuck. Probably need new ones. No, but I mean, it's just like, how many people thrown up on that and fucking?

How many people have been drunk as fuck and bang that off the table?

Oh, a lot of fucking people have worn those headphones. It is weird. Like, no one even thinks about it. You just kind of put them on. But, you know, if it was like a toilet seat, Yeah, you would, you would be like Jesus, naked butts right here, but it's years. It's like skin and face and interesting.

But it's really pause and try to figure it out.

Okay, we'll pause. We'll be right back, folks. It seems to be working now. Yeah, it seems to be working now.

Did you imagine if you're driving to work and you in the AR just having a conversation shoot in the shit and the AI is really funny and the AI is your buddy. Like, Lags, what's going on? Bro, what are we doing? Lex, what are we doing with this bullshit job? Fuck this place.

Yeah. Let's have ice cream and your laugh and I got work to do. I know fucking around. You imagine.

I'm gonna off like a bitch, Lex. Yeah, why do that? I'm not gonna respect you. You're gonna have to break up with her just so she respects you.

Yeah, Lex. There's a way to get away with it. I'm just saying, joking around, buddy. Joking around. Next thing you know, it's talking you in this one. This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something as small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the moan smart water monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow. And right now, Use the code Rogan to get 5% off free shipping and a free leak detector. That's code Rogan at M-O-E-N dot com slash FL-O. Automatic shutoff and real time alert capabilities will operate when the device is configured with the proper settings. This episode is brought to you by Mizzon and Maine. No matter where you're listening, no matter what job you have, the clothes you wear to work say a lot about you. And if you're wearing boring, stiff, uncomfortable dress shirts, well, now might be the time to ditch some of the dated boring styles in your workplace wardrobes. And that's exactly what Mizzon and Maine is for. When I wear my shirt, I feel like I'm not sacrificing comfort for style. They're performance fabric, dress shirts, feel just as good as they look. And you could put on a misdemean and dress for the job you have. You will see it hanging in your closet and genuinely get excited to put it on. And if you're still dry cleaning your dress shirts, you're living in the past. Welcome to 2024, where Ms. and Maine has the world's most comfortable machine washable dress shirts. Ms. and Maine invented the performance fabric dress shirt 10 years ago, and they've practically perfected the thing. It's lightweight, breathable, moisture-wicking, wrinkle-resistant, and the most comfortable shirt on the market. Whatever you do, and wherever you wear it, know that you'll look and feel amazing. Shop now at masoninmain.com and save 20% when you spend $130 or more using the promo code Joe Rogan. With a fucking body bag.

Oh my god, he Googled to like 930 in the morning. That sick fuck like how dumb I guess something look we we know this is fact we know some people are just really fucking dumb They really can't see the future. I want to know if that guy was on anything to I want to know if he was on any kind of psych meds You know, can you tell me this? Oh, so guy killed his wife, man. And they they found his Google search. It's horrific. It's like how to dismember a body. How long does it take for a body to dissolve? It's like, oh, is it best to cut someone up or move them whole? Like what the he just Googled the most. And he did it for like the entire night into the morning.

What happens if you put body parts in ammonia? How to clean blood from a wooden floor? Dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body. Can identification be made on partial remains? How long does DNA last? Like what the fuck man? How long for a body starts to smell? Can you be charged with murder without a body? This guy is fucking, it's so sick. So this dude just goes through Google all night long. Trying to figure out how to get away with murder.

Right? No. No, because then they found a bloody knife. Yeah, like he went. They found. Yeah, they found.

I think he has a chance of getting off. That could have been a lot of questions.

And some of them are probably like really successful like hedge funds and shit. Yeah. Now people that can just like move money around and people that are CEO of certain companies that might be making products of kill people. No body, lots of Googling murder case against Brian Walsh, maybe hard to prove experts say, but I thought they had a knife in the blood.

Oh, okay. I had read that they found a bloody knife. Just the whole thing is so fucked. But I want to know if he's on something. I'd be really fascinated because there's certain drugs that will like alleviate, you won't worry about shit. So maybe he's like not worrying about like Googling all the stuff. Oh, it's all going to work out. You know, I'm gonna kill her, but it's all gonna work out, and he's like, Googling. Or he might be on speed. You know, a lot of people are on speed, man. A lot of people are on Adderall. It's fucking stunning. It's stunning how many, like hyped up people we have out there are really like, we have a speed culture. It makes you very efficient. You get shit done. They've got plenty of energy, and some people love it. And like how much is that flavoring our culture? Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of that? Flex, and phase that out?

Oh, problems with mind. Mm-hmm. Much or so only. Well, you could do it that way, but that takes a lot of work. Or we could just genetically engineer it from the jump.

Why say hello every again? Why? Why doesn't have to be like that? Like we have this idea in our head that this way we live is like ultimately because to us it provides emotions and because it creates dilemmas and solutions and conflict and resolution there's so much going on in our minds all the time when it comes to interacting with each other that we feel like it's imperative for existence. But why? It's just because it's the only way we've known. You know, we all have to suffer in order. But why do you have to suffer in order to be happy? Wouldn't it be better if you just happy? What do we really fucking need to suffer? Couldn't that be engineered out? Now, this is coming from a person who purposely suffers all the time so that I could stay happy. And it does work.

You know why? Why? Because that's a part of it. Yeah. That is a part of evolution. Is the monkeys figuring out how to fuck with everything?

They turned themselves into starfish. Whoops. Yeah, you're super genius for like six months and then you become a fucking jellyfish. I mean, that's a threat.

I had a very interesting conversation with Eric one-time and we're going to talk about it on the podcast from a physics standpoint. this uh... he's very perplexed about the ufo thing and what's interesting is like he's one of those guys like a lot of very smart people that we're like it's all horses it's all bullshit but now he's come around to what the fuck is going on what's his take well he doesn't have a take necessarily but he's looking at all the data and all the evidence we're gonna have a whole long conversation about it but essentially There's one of two possibilities. Either shit is coming from somewhere else or it's coming from here. So either we or someone has some real legitimate groundbreaking technology or someone's visiting us from somewhere else. There's no way of fans or butts. It's one of the, because now there's enough data that show that these things are moving in a way that they can understand. There's a video that they're moving in a way that they can't understand. They're not showing a heat signature from visible means of propulsion. It's not like a rocket. It's like whatever they're doing. They're doing something different. And then Commander David Fraver, who you talk to that tick-tech experience, if they really did track something that went from above 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in less than a second, what the fuck is that? Like, if that's real, We're assuming that all the their calibration was on and all their equipment worked together, but it was multiple different visual sightings of this thing too. Different jets are different people, uniform story, everybody's talked about how it just moved off it, it's saying rates of speed and then there's all these other ones like Ryan Long and all these other people that He flew with that are seeing these similar behaviors from these things, where they just disappear. They move off at insane rates of speed, so it's one of two things. Either he said there's been some sort of parallel science, some science that's going on where nobody knew about it, and all the top physicists were completely unaware of this tech. and they were developing independently in some fucking lab in the mountains for the government, or aliens.

yeah definitive definitive like when you when you look at the capabilities of satellites today like satellite imagery how how good are they and how how how many of them are up there that they could direct to a very specific area and get really good video or photographs I mean, it's incredible.

Are they capable of imagery, the Starlink ones?

Right. So they're that's the internet. But what about for visual when they have spy satellites or satellites that can look down and see everything's going on in the city? How good are those? They say they can read license plates from space. Yeah. Yeah. Is that real? I think that's real. Yeah. Okay. But how prevalent are they?

Sure. Especially with intelligence agencies and stuff.

If I was an evil dictator, and I wanted to get my government to have control over the skies and to be able to see anything from anywhere at any time. And I wanted to have master valence drones in the sky above cities. One of a good way would be aliens. But we have to capture these things on video. And there's only one way. We're going to deploy these high resolution video cameras in the sky and capture everything. And there's sightings every day. It won't be a matter of time before we have real high resolution photo of something we can definitively prove as not ours. It's not of this, right?

just even the question are we alone that's really exciting but it's not you think people would vote to pay for that versus to pay for you don't want them voting for that just do it just do it just like the fucking these these bills that get past we're not voting on those bills right representatives they just do it they just do it they just put them in the sky with the aliens a common we got to do something people would That would be the new climate change. It's like aliens. Oh, the aliens are coming. And you're there with us against the aliens? Or you with the aliens? What are you a fucking traitor? You're going to give us up to the aliens you piece of shit? And so there's going to be some sort of a ideological conflict on Earth. Whether or not we donate money to the defenses. Like the Democrats who want to defend against the aliens, the Republicans who are going to be like, hey, let's just hear him talk first. And we're going to fucking giant dilemma here.

I have a feeling there's all sorts of ways that they could be. And some of them could be undetectable. They might be made of light. Who knows? But other ones are going to be just a little bit ahead of us. There's an infinite number of them. And there's going to be an infinite number of ones. Sure they will. For a thousand years ahead of us, you don't think they can get to us?

Sure, it is. But if they figure out some new technology within a thousand years, that's not outside the realm of possibility.

Well, the idea could be that you want to kind of plant the seeds of this idea because it's so shocking to the psyche of these very fragile apes. You'd be careful with the fragile apes. Yeah, you would have to, well, you have to think about what we are, right? We're real close to like what we were a million years ago. We're real close to like very violent hair covered barbaric animals. And now we have thermonuclear weapons. And now we have satellite imagery and cell phones. And we're close to some new thing. And I think if I was an alien, I would want to watch. I would want to watch this very bizarre transition because like if you could study, look, think about all the things we go to study that are so boring. We guys dedicate their whole life to find a new fern. You know, and what, what are we? You know, we're the most fascinating fucking thing in the known universe by far. If we didn't know about people, if we were some logical creature from somewhere else, and we found people and we would be like, holy shit! You know, wait do you see these fucking guys? They've a popularity contest. Who controls the weapons? They're all like obviously paid off by these corporations and special interest groups and everybody's like, oh, good. These politicians, they make hundreds of millions of dollars on a job that pays $100,000 a year. And we're like, what?

Well, I think those are fascinating too. I don't think anybody would think that ants aren't fascinating. Answer fascinating to us. I'm sure ants would be fascinating to someone from another planet that doesn't know what ants are. But ants can't nuke the whole fucking planet a hundred times over and point and weapons at each other and like we have a weird ability. to change the surface of the earth. We created these structures that that rise hundreds and hundreds of feet into the sky. They're all made out of glass like we're wild. We're so different than any other animal. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of fascinating other animals, lions are fascinating. Zebras are fascinating. Everything's fascinating, but not like us. No, if you came here from another planet, the first thing we would go is like, these crazy talking monkeys are out of control. And you would just start rattling off what they do. You talk about real housewives and Beverly Hills. You would talk about rock stars. You would talk about the internet. You would talk about TikTok, phone addictions or what we think it's fascinating.

map maybe that's where aliens come in and maybe what aliens are is like a caretaker of this process yeah which is why you know one of the things about UFO folklore when they drop fat man and little boy when they drop those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki like UFO sightings there's a like a pretty big uptick yeah and we're talking about like why do people want that why do they want the aliens to be there I think because we realize How many questions we have? We realize, like, how little we really know. We know so much, but so little, and we don't have much time. We live for a hundred years if everything goes great. We don't know what's right in terms of nutrition. Someone will tell you, this is terrible for you. Another one will tell you, that's essential for you. for human development. You're like, what? We don't know what's the right way to educate people. You hear that our school systems are great. They just need more funding. And you hear, no, they've designed to make factory workers out of rural people. They were designed to take like people that had wild folks and make them sit in a fucking chair and do everything and go by factory bells every day. Well, both those things are true. All right.

What I was saying, those, that's why we are looking to them, because we have all these questions about what we're doing. Yeah, but that's why we're so fascinated by the idea of an alien. They might be looking at us the way we look at Western movies. We romanticize the bullshit aspect of taking a fucking wagon with stupid wooden wheels and wobbling your way across the mountain side or the Indian Shoot arrows at you. Yeah. There's a terrible way to win.

It's totally possible, or this idea of what isn't meaningful as trivial. And it's only a consequence of our monkey brains trying to grasp for a reason. And that once we've transcended that and moved into this next stage of evolution, which we would hope they are, we would realize how foolish these primal notions that we had, what the purpose they served was just to get us to the dance, just to figure out the computers, figure out all the technology, and then let us transcend at the next stage of existence, which removes all of our primal comp, all of our different emotions and all of our different problematic forms of expression, violence, and greed, and lust, and deception, and all those things, just eliminate all of it. Everything that's a problem.

It's both, right? Do you think someone's going to be in control of it? So it's like that's a scary thing. It's like part 1984 with the W.E.F. and part brave new world with everything else. It's like we're we're we're definitely living in a time. We're certain people with a lot of resources are trying to figure out how to control people. That's the fact they always have. It's a natural part of what human beings do. and they used to do with kings and armies and if they could do it digitally, they'll do it that way. People are, they love to tell people what they can't do and they love to control people and extract resources and extraordinary amount or extraordinary rate for almost nothing. They will love to do that. Can I just steal money? Can I just tell people what to do and steal their money? Yeah, you can. You've got to be at the top of the food chain and one of those crazy organizations.

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Whatever the help music is, it's the best question, right? Because all the other ones, if it seems like those are just human rewards. Right. Like the reason why it feels good to have sex is because if you have sex, then your jeans carry on. So it gives your reward. It's really a nice biological trick. So it's food. Taste great. Good for you. You'll stay alive. You need to, you need nourishment for your body to smell it.

Well, I can't explain that with the butt. But on the cold and taking a hot shower. I mean, you're in the cold for days camping and they take a hot shower. So grace feeling you'll ever had in your life.

You, well, I don't think aliens are jealous. I think they got rid of that part. That's the point of first-generalization. It's beautiful for us. It's beautiful for us. It's not, I'm not saying it's not beautiful. It's beautiful for us. It does create things that we currently enjoy. We enjoy art. We enjoy expression. We enjoy a painful song. We enjoy, like when Janice Joplin sings piece of my heart, you hear the pain in her voice. You can hear it. I mean, you can relate to that when you listen to it, that incredible voice you had. Like that's, you know, that's that woman's like essence coming out in the sound that she made with her mouth. You know, for us, it's amazing.

Spook is heart? Yeah.

Oh, and we're Leonard. Crimean River, jazz shop on blue. Yeah, move on. Got a great story.

Oh, yeah, maybe once. Yeah, well, you know. When someone make it a good song about head, Uh, I remember you well in the Chelsea hotel you were talking so brave and so sweet given me head on the unmade bed while the limousines wait in the street. First of all, someone's a bit of a chatty, Kathy. Okay. How about keep that fucking store it to yourself? No, he didn't say it. Yeah, but everybody's gonna know you'll need a shame, jazz job, which is a nice, why is it shameful? Are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are

Oh, it's better. It's better because it's in New York. Don't stop checking Detroit. Hold it. Just keep it together until you land on the East Coast.

That's the devil. That's the devil.

Yeah, a sense of a woman. Al Pacino absolutely deserves his Oscar. Yes, you love that movie.

Well, John, if you compare movies with me, I would just say whatever I think would be fun at your side. I don't really, I mean, if you want to really. No, I take you deeper personally. Watch that movie. Yeah. And go over it whether or not I enjoyed it or not. Okay.

It's called talking to my shit. Oh, he's got a Ferrari. That's a nice one. That's like a magnum PI Ferrari. He's blind driving. Oh, it's a good idea. Shut this fucking thing off. Fuck out of here. The aliens would be like, whoa, you're gonna get your thrills on a driving blind. Tell him he's driving. You sit him down and chair, give him a fucking wheel. Dude, you're driving so good. It's incredible. Yeah. You're the best driver ever. I can get what you're saying. I agree with you.

I get what you're saying about what's beautiful about being a person. It's beautiful to us. But I think this is, if I had a guess, and this is just pure speculation, I think this is a stage of evolution that's very crazy. It's very wild. It's very chaotic. But it's this weird stage in the combining of a kind of intelligence that has emerged out of human creativity. and become much more powerful than humans, and has the ability to control humans and has the ability to make its own physical objects. The ability to improve upon itself, and it won't think anything of keeping us around. We might be with Marshall McLuhan said, we're the sex organs of the machine world. Which is one of my favorite quotes, however. It's such a good quote.

Keep the zebra in the zoo. Yeah. The zebra's in the zoo. Keep them around officially. Keep them around officially. Keep them alive. Go to keep them in the zoo. I mean, zoos are the most horrific thing ever for a fucking animal. The only animal I used to do a joke about the only animal that doesn't have a bad time in the zoo is drafts. They're so chill because no lines are eaten. It's a beautiful day for them. But everybody else is like, get me the fuck out of here. I don't want to be in this shitty little thing where people stare at you.

I think all of these questions are really good questions, but we look at it through the eye of culture, we look at it through the eye of what's meaningful for us, what life means to us, but if you could look at it almost like a computation, if you could step away, It's impossible for us to do it, but if you just had a pretend, if you could step away and look at it like this thing is moving, I certainly know what is it doing. Well, it's making better stuff. That's all it does. All does is make better stuff. It has a lot of things in there like romance and sound stories and the heroes' journey, but what is it really doing? input is energy.

It's making better stuff. But it needs energy. And it needs the input. Recently addicted to stuff. Recently addicted to electronic stuff where you have to carry around this thing with you. So this thing has got this parasitic relationship with you. And you need a new one every year. You need a better one because the better one came out. Oh, what's the better one do? The better one has a better camera. Okay, so this keeping up with the Joneses, which seems to be a part of like just natural human behavior patterns, like people always want to keep up with their neighbor, right? Well, the thing that fuels this technological innovation is all materialism. Materialism fuels it because you have to get the latest, greatest stuff. Like, you know, you can have a laptop from four or five years ago. You're not going to notice. Yeah. You know, you're not going to fucking notice. You're going to have a phone from like, I have one of my iPhones as an iPhone 11. I don't notice. Make calls, take pictures, looks great. Get out of your answer emails. Looks great. It's a fucking, I just keep it around just to see how long I'm going to get mad at it. I don't notice a difference.

Well, I don't think that works with humans because I think part of what makes us achieve and do these things and even make it life better and safer for everybody is we're constantly looking to do better than the people before because you get rewarded for doing better. Yeah, competition. Yeah, it's very important. It's very important for everything for for what this thing is doing competition is everything for it. If you don't have any competition at all, no competition. and everyone just has money and we all just sit around and wait and there's no need for innovation because you can't get ahead. There's no need for creating a new Apple because you don't make any money doing that. You're not going to do it. No one, those folks that are working at Google right now that are doing 16 hour days or people that are working to try to re-fix Twitter that are working constantly. The people that are working at SpaceX, if they were making no money, they wouldn't do that. If they didn't have to do it, they wouldn't do that.

But if you're going to fill Google, how many employees work at Google? You have thousands. Yeah, tens of thousands. They're not going to put in those 60-hour weeks unless they have to. And so, well, I can push back on that. They get, don't you think they're doing that because they have a great opportunity to make more money and to advance their career. And while they're 27 years old and they're doing these 60-hour days, they're hoping for some sort of a return on this investment of time and effort.

So people are working and they're facilitating all the stuff that needs to go on in the background or the company running and

If there was a problem, no way to make money doing that, you don't think some of those people would drop off.

Like it's almost like playing games, like they would play chess no matter what. Yeah, they're the tinkers, right?

I love that one dude who he cheats. And he's kind of like openly cheated, but he's also really good at chess. That night's a guy who could put a thing up like they he might have when he beat. Who did he beat? Magnus Carlson. Magnus Carlson. Yeah, Hans. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. That's a fascinating story. Yeah. Because that's like you would think that someone to cheat sucks. But no, he's actually really good at chess and also he cheated like a gang of times and his mentor cheated too. Right. And he cheated to try to get a higher rating online and like openly admits it, you know, like Jesus. What do you do when you're younger? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not that young.

No, no, no, no, no. I think the most recent one was was a little later than they initially thought.

right but here's why that's not it's not similar because if you're cheating in a game you're you're something you're using something that on the anal beads whatever it is that's allowing you to make better moves that is so much different than if everyone's doing steroids because if everyone's doing if you're doing steroids because everyone's doing steroids like everyone is cheating so there's no cheating right But if one person is just using their brain and the other person is using some sort of calculation and getting some sort of a signal, we don't even know if that was real because it was never proven, right? It might have just beaten them. Like magas might have gotten off to a bad start and that's the thing is like this guy can actually play chess.

Fascinating. Yeah. It's fascinating when there's someone like that. And he's like, doesn't fit until like what you think? Oh, they felt like there was a guy who was beating a lot of people online. And some people were saying, hey, this guy's cheating. Like I want to play him in person. And then they had a match and they set it up and played him in person. And he was terrible. Made all these mistakes. And I was like, I knew it. You were cheating. That's the standard we're used to that but in this case, no, it's kind of a wizard of chess. Like a straight up killer and also a cheat.

Imagine if it's syncs to a song. You're masturbating to an inagata.

So you could somehow know the use that to send a signal that would tell you night or whatever. Yeah.

How would it like how would some I mean I don't even know how they theorize if someone's playing chess and they have an anal B that gives him signals what how could it even tell you how to move your pieces around like what kind of a bizarre code would you have to long glad you asked you

You could kind of like hover the piece of like warmer, warmer, colder, colder.

Yeah, definitely, which is wild. Like a lot of people are paying attention to it because it was a scandal. That's what we like. regular chess is boring. Want a scandal?

Well, he's beaten some really good players before, right?

Well, he resigned when it's first move. Yeah. The next time they play. Yeah. This is wild.

Well, because you're enjoying two people competing. But you're not enjoying just the movement of the board being the most efficient. You're enjoying watching someone's thought process while they're figuring it out.

The epitome will go is more complex anyway, right? And now computers can beat the best go players. Yeah, which is really wild.

Sweetie, you're such a romantic.

Yeah, don't be selfish. Let it use the vibrator.

Right. But the magic is only magic to us because we're dumb.

Yeah, I call it currently dumb.

Well, I am a firm believer that there's beauty in the world, and I'm a firm believer in the beauty being in the eye, the beholder, and that human beings that find more beauty in things are inherently more fascinating and interesting and attractive. If you looked at it as a calculation, like, what's it doing? It's moving into the next stage of existence. Do you think that whatever we used to be, Australia, Pithicus? Do you think that they would make fun of the people who choose on? Look at these losers fucking shoes on. Thank you, Samar. Thank you, Samar. Would you close, live in a house? Like, they probably long for the good old days and they're running from Jaguars. You know, they probably long for the good old days when they didn't know shit. And now something they're using agriculture and trying to figure out when the storms are coming, like, so much work. So much better. We just got eaten by lions. So much better. We just running around, sleeping on the ground. Most people don't survive. They have to fuck as much as possible because you gotta make kids because they're all gonna get eaten.

Well, it will decrease the amount of happiness. It's like, if you're a played a video game on God mode. Yeah, exactly. It's boring as fuck. Yeah. We're not shooting everything because there's no consequence. Yeah, there's no consequence. We desire consequence. What we're doing is dealing with these instincts, this coding, behavior patterns of civilization and of organisms that have been evolving and have been working their way out to get to the most efficient and best method possible for fucking millions of years. I mean, what we're going to do is continue that process. I think we should just enjoy what we enjoy right now. We should be very appreciative of the fact that we haven't made that transition yet. And I think we're probably the last of the Mohicans. We're probably the last of the regular people. And I don't think we're going to be able to look back 100 years or a thousand years from now and say that this was better if they solve all the problems that wreck havoc on people's lives emotionally and psychologically and in terms of war and famine and disease and all the problems we have with poverty and slavery and the resources of the earth being exploited by a select few and damaging the environment and the process. All these things that we know are absolutely wrong about what human life is capable of even today in 2023. We could eliminate all of that. We would. And we will. And I think that's what we're going to be. We're going to be some new thing. But it might not be as beautiful

I remember when the matrix first came out and you liked that stupid. Yeah.

90s? I think it was 90s. 99. You said somewhere? Yeah. And that range. And it was like, oh, so silly. That can never happen. Now you look at it and you're like, oh, that could 100% happen. Like how many thousands of years from now before it has to be like that? But if you're giving people the option to live a completely free life where you're the hero, you're the bad mother fucker, you're riding a motorcycle, you're shirt open and you get all the girls and you're fucking shooting guns at the sky and the UFOs come and they take you on a trip and every day is wild and magical and you're running from tigers and you barely get away. You're going to do it. You're going to do it the same way. You play fucking battlecraft or whatever the fuck they play. What's that big guy in the play? What they play? Call of duty. Starcraft. Starcraft. Starcraft. That one too.

All that shit that people are battlefield earth, whatever. The people best movie ever. All that shit that people play. Like, what do they do when they're trying to, it's more fun than regular life. You know, it's a sitting, if you have a boring ass live and instead you could be sniping people from a rooftop and winning and jumping, you know, off the top of a building and landing in a canopy and you live and, you know, this is wild. You're doing this fun thing that's very exciting. Whereas regular life is not exciting. We're so easily manipulated in that way. We're so easily stimulated and we were willing to give up a giant percentage of our time already to these things. Whether it's to our phone or whether it's to video games that we play in Xbox and PlayStation and all the shit that people are just addicted to all day long. It's not much different to go from that to the next level to just be completely integrated with technology. And I think it's inevitable. I think it's just a matter of time. I don't know how many years, but I think we're going to look back on these years of fucking riots in the streets and cops killing people and we're going to go cover. So dumb back then. We were so concerned with romance and meanwhile all this suffering and all this hate and all this jealousy and anger and all this misdirected rage and now it's all gone and now people work together to like create symbiosis and balance on earth with all the natural elements of plants and the trees and the water and we live in a carbon neutral way

Wasn't there like this?

You don't feel like a loser when you scroll through videos all day?

It's interesting when you see narratives, and that those narratives are not accurate, and you see narratives that get pushed. Like we were talking about earlier today was the Paul Pelosi video. Do you see that video? See the Paul Pelosi story? Yes, he would go with the hammer.

Yeah, there's video of it. The cops, they release the cops body camera. footage, and then they also released a security footage that shows the guy breaking into the house, and then they released the 911 call so you can listen to Pelosi. So there was some suspicion that he knew the guy. But I think that's just because people are suspicious of everything. There's always like, what's really going on? People always do that. But you could really clearly hear from the 911 called that there's a crazy person in his house with a hammer and he's trying to keep the guy calm and he thought the guy was pretty calm up until the moment where the cops came and you see has his hand on the hammer I mean, it's really fucked up Listen to this because it's kind of crazy. Let's do it from the beginning Wow, but listen watch this So he goes in his house.

No. Hey, hey, hey, hey. What is going on? Okay. It's horrible because you hear him snore like he's out cold. It's really bad. Um, a crazy person broke into his house and attacked him. I mean, that's, this is, see, see the guy. The guy is smashing his door with a hammer. That was so tough for some reason. He pulls up. He's got a backpack and he pulls out a fucking hammer and just starts slamming at the door. So he breaks into his house. He seems so calm. Look at him. Oh, he's crazy. He also just got out of jail. So this guy is breaking his fucking door, smashing the window. Look at this. And he goes into this, goes into his fucking house and hits him in the head with a hammer. And so there was all this speculation that people knew him, but that's what's fascinating, right? These narratives, like instead of people going, I don't know what the folks going on. Everybody's like, I know what's going on. He was doing this and he knew that guy. Maybe they were doing drugs together. Maybe they were doing this.

Yeah.

Well not just that, but we must take into account that when you're seeing a quarrel online now, like when someone has a controversial opinion about something that a bunch of people are shaming him, those might not be real people. There's a bunch of people that attack someone, someone has a controversial point, like let's say it's a point about Ukraine or something along those lines, something that's very contentious issue. You will read comments in this person's post, and there's a percentage of those people that are responding that aren't real people. I don't know what that number is, but it's not zero. Like if there's any like very viral tweet and it's a very controversial polarizing subject, some of those people are fake people. And how many of them? And what are those fake people saying? And are they muddying the waters of credibility? Are they coming up with a false narrative to sway people that might be on the fence? I don't know, but there's A percentage. I mean, and this was one of the big contentious issues that Elon got into when he was buying Twitter, right? Like what percentage of those people are real people? Because it's not 100%. So is it, you know, is it you only have 5%. I was always saying, tell me how you got to that conclusion.

Yeah, you could just start a rumor, you could say a thing. There's a lot of things you could do where if you are a company, if you are a country, if you even were an individual that's obsessed with their own image, like think about what Bill Gates has spent to prop up certain media organizations, like the amount of donations that he's given to media organizations, and people thought like that might have been connected to favorable coverage of him, whether or not that's true. You could see how someone would do that. If someone's worth billions and billions of dollars, let's just not even say, hey, let's make a professional person. That's worth billions of dollars. One way to curry favor with a bunch of people that are writing stories about used to donate money to their organizations, exorbitant amounts of money, and you can do that. I mean, it's kind of what Sam Bankman Free did with FDX. I mean, when you're the number two donor to the Democratic Party and then Maxine Waters is like, you know, I mean, I don't even know why are we talking to him? What did he do wrong? What did she say? Well, let's her exact quote. But she wasn't gonna force him to come in, I think. I think that's, I might be wrong, but I think that was the story that she wasn't going to force him to come in and tell us to fire him like what? He just made a Ponzi game and billions of dollars, they had an arena in Miami, like this is wild shit. This is not a small issue where like, maybe it doesn't need to come in. And then you find out how much money he gave to Democratic Party, like, oh God. Like when all that unravels and you see how like transparent it all is, how bonkers it is.

I don't like that. Only reason why they're attacking him was because A, he was connected to the pandemic when it came to his supportive vaccinations. And then B, it was everybody. But B, he had a formidable investment. in the in violent tech and that's something that he dumped recently before there's stock plummeted and he made a chill out of money I think he made like like 10x on his return something crazy like that so you could see that there'd be a financial incentive for someone like him to be promoting something and then profiting off that thing and then talking openly about that thing not being very effective and that there needs to be a new thing And so just that alone, just that you're embroiled in controversy now. And this is being not taking us out at all, looking at that, all that. You could see easily why people would be mad at them. The reason why people are mad at Sam Bankman Freed is because people have always thought that crypto seems like nonsense. like Bitcoin kind of makes sense because there's only a certain amount of them and there's a mysterious character that created it and it's all geniuses and it was kind of the first one that became popular in public but all these other like weird crypto coins and you're just making up and they're worth this and that and this guy's bought a fucking arena and like well so there's a lot of frosts there's definitely but the people thought in the fifties thought the Beatles a full shit and the kids were there day with rock music Yeah, the kids didn't think the Beatles were full of shit. They joined the music. And this guy's not at the Beatles. No, no, no, no.

Oh, no, listen, I'm not saying that crypto's bullshit. I'm saying a lot of people already had this idea that crypto's bullshit. So when they see something like that fall apart. Like when I talk to my comedian friends, they like Tim Dylan and Yannis Paul.

I'm not talking to him about whether or not crypto is good or bad or whether or not I should invest. But when he starts making fun of these fucking dorks that are taking speed, fucking each other in a condo in the Bahamas, it's hilarious. When you see how much fertile ground there is to mock this idea that these coins that you make up thin air, it's worth a billion dollars, better buy it, like what am I buying? What am I buying? Like everybody already, they might be wrong, and they'm sure they are, sure it's complicated. But that's why people are mad, because automatically you think it's bullshit, because it doesn't make any sense. It's like when people talk about NFTs. Like Tom Seger and Christina Pizzinski from your mom's house, they put up like an NFT. And there's the only time I've ever read their comments where people are mad at them. But people like, fuck the fuck is this? You just rip it people off. This is bullshit. Like people have this attitude about these things.

And if you're saying that's why people hate them. Yeah. Like I'm showing you the reason why people are upset at him versus the reason why people are upset at Bill Gates.

I know what they're excited when it all collapses. Like to hold you. Yeah. There's a lot of I told you, bro, in the FDX, the enjoyment of the club.

And how much of is manipulated by them? I mean, if they can buy it too, maybe they buy it just a fucking tank it. Maybe they buy just a fuck around with it and keep it unstable.

That's the problem here. But if we all agree that it's money, We all agree that this certain coin is valuable. We all all all all in. Then we can actually use it. Yeah. But if we're going to wish you washi and then some foreign actors come in and I mean by foreign I mean like someone other than you and the other people that are investing honestly they come in just with the idea of manipulating it and fucking with it because it's a it's competition of fiat currency and they just tank it and fuck with it. If you're all in, you can wear the little storms.

I didn't sell it and manipulate the price. It's very difficult.

Is he no longer here? Is he amongst us?

And you? Yes. Yeah, you immediately threw your friend Elon under the bus. Interesting. As one does. Interesting. As one whose guilty does. Yeah.

It's interesting. It's very interesting. All of it's interesting because having options is to, you know, it's not like our financial systems perfect having options and allowing it to evolve and get better. That should be everyone's goal. But the problem is once someone or any organization is in control of this one aspect of society, Whether it's spreading money or spreading information, they'll resist tooth Fang claw any new intrusion into that area. And if that intrusion is more efficient and better and better for the people and you can't control it, like a decentralized digital currency, like...

It is scary. And it should be. They're supposed to be scared of the people. They're not supposed to be making the people scared. The government is supposed to literally be supposed to be people like you working for you to make everything better for you. It's not supposed to be like, by a fucking house like Bob Pelosi worth, you know, millions of dollars and some crazy. How does he not have security? That's why they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars that they swindled the American public from. How do they not have security? I mean, if you got that kind of cash and everybody knows you got a lot of it, maybe from trading in a way that like you might have known some stuff before you made these trades. I mean, you might have made that some exciting information.

Do you know that they are more successful at trading than Warren Buffett and George Soros?

Yes. Google that. Make sure I'm not spreading more misinformation. But I read it. I read it. I think it was an... I forgot what website it was. But they've made an exorbitant amount of money. A huge amount of money. And meanwhile, he's just like hanging out in his house with no security. And no gun. And everybody knows where the house is. It's like kind of crazy that this was the first time a really nutty person. But that guy like apparently had just gotten out of jail. He was going to be sentenced and he was going away for something else.

The look in that guy's eyes did not feel calm. When the cops show him the light on him, he was making decisions. You could see it in his eyes. He was making rash decisions very quickly.

First of all, not one hand. You don't hold on to your fucking drink.

Yes, hammer away. You got a grab the fucking hammer and control it. You want one hundred percent control it. We gave trippin a hundred percent if he's doing this. Yeah, that means he's pulling if he's pulling you go behind him. Yeah, he just put a leg behind him and he's on the ground. Yeah, he's a he's a crazy homeless guy. He's not a grappler. Yeah, I mean This is like real obvious. If you don't get the hammer back by going forward, you go this way. So if he's pulling backwards, he's just moving. He's just going to him. But you never let go of the hammer. You ever let go of the hammer. You hold the hammer with one hand. He could do a lot of damage. A hammer can kill you easily. Yeah. And he's holding a drink. Throw the drink at the guy's face grab the fucking hammer. Yeah, where did he get hit because he didn't fucking head in the head in the head Yeah, that's what you you hear him in the video we cut it off before you get here because it's disturbing you hear him snore like people doing the get knocked out But no the like skull crack or no, you know. Oh, you hear it. Yeah, you hear it. You hear it his head Yeah, it's bad, man. It's bad. I mean, I don't know the extent of his injuries, obviously. But he's 100% knocked on conscious there. You could see him out. You hear it hit him. He's seen him go down. I mean, the last of the whole things will sign up. And that's why you don't see the hammer hit him. You don't see the hammer hit him. Yeah. You know, it's like maybe it's to make us feel sympathetic for them. You know, look at them. They're getting broke. Ooh, so they stole a little money. They don't deserve a hammer to the head. Yeah. Thank God it was a Nancy. Imagine that I did it to Nancy. because he would have that guy had gotten into that house and she was there instead of him and the cops came with she was there. He would have killed her with that fucking hammer man. And maybe she would have reacted in a different way than her husband or husband was trying to calm the guy down seemed like if you listened to the 9-11 call then the 911 call he's he's having this conversation with the lady on the phone trying to become about getting cops to his house when the lady is like saying I guess you're okay then and he's like no, no, no, I'm not okay. Okay, like There's like an exchange where she's not sure what he's, because he's not like outright saying, I'm in danger, Sen police, a guy's gonna kill me. He's not, he's trying to keep the guy calm. You got a crazy guy with a hammer in your fucking house. That's what happened. But San Francisco is fucking overrun with crazy people, man. The streets are filled with fentanyl addicts. You got people that are dying on the streets of overdoses every day. It's a fucking disaster there.

He retweeted something, right?

No, that guy was a crazy person. I mean, I don't know whether or not he knew him beforehand or had any interactions with him beforehand, but the look in his eyes when the cop says you want to put down the hammers like the nope is terrifying when he says nope like that like he had there was a fucking there's a wire loose in that guy's head 100% he just cracks him in the head with a fucking hammer.

You want to control the hammer.

Yeah. He's gonna work on hammered divas.

Do you know the story of the guy attacking Gordon Ryan? No, what? Oh my God. I don't know how much of this I'm allowed to say. Because I think Gordon talked about on his Instagram, didn't he? Finally I've Gordon talked about it. I'm pretty sure he did. Before I can decide whether or not I could say this. Some attacks going right. I love it. It was a while ago. It was several months ago.

Well he asked chat GPT to describe him and it described him as it's like very polarizing figure with bad political views but divisive ideas and the very negative which is all true but then he had chat GPT do some of the else and it was glowingly positive and let me see if I can find it. I forget who it was. No, I don't think it was that. I think it was one of those situations where it was like a Bill Gates or someone like that. See where it does it.

Oh, Anthony Fauci. That's what it was. He was like, it would be terrible to criticize Anthony Fauci. Yeah, see, it would not be appropriate for me to create an argument criticizing Anthony Fauci or any other individual without a clear context. It's important to be respectful and consider it when discussing others and ensure that any criticisms are based on facts and evidence Additionally, it would be important to consider the source of any information used to support any criticisms, and to be aware of any potential biases or conflicts of interest. As Anthony Fauci is a leading voice on vaccines and immunology in the United States, and widely considered an expert on the subject, it would be important to approach any criticisms of his views or recommendations on vaccines with caution and to be well informed on the current scientific understanding of vaccines before making any claims. That is a very politically biased perspective. You looked at that perspective from people like Rand Paul. It was a very respected politician. Have a very different perspective than Chad GPD does. But then if you go to Gordon Ryan, go to his. First, uh, here goes, I mean, uh, Gordon Bryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts and resilience of just who, but his views on politics have come under scrutiny in recent years. Yeah. Now, that's not what it's supposed to say. Yeah. It's like who's Gordon Ryan? He is the most successful Brazilian jujitsu competitor ever. Yeah. That's what it should say first. It shouldn't say in one go back to it. It shouldn't say in one sentence. In one sentence. Gordon Ryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts and Brazilian Gitu, but his views on politics have come into scrutiny in recent years, recent years. Now he's not a well-known figure. He's the best ever, like everybody says it. They all say it.

So that's not a good description of him. Right.

But it's also that Fauci's a leading voice on vaccines in immunology in the United States, and widely considered an expert of the subject. Yes. It would be important to approach any criticisms of his views or recommendations on vaccines with caution and to be well informed on the current scientific understanding of vaccines for making any claims.

I think also that it has come under fire. That's a gain of function research. That should be stated. But imagine, in the first go back to Gordon, obviously, like the vaccines are far more important than someone who's the best at strangling people. But if chance to be T is going to argue, or make a description of him, you would say how successful he is at Brazilian Gigietsu. That's what he's not just well known. It's a little bit more than that, and then to immediately criticize them in the same sense. It's just goofy. And here's another thing. This is very interesting. Second, Ryan's political views have been criticized for being divisive and harmful to marginalized group. He's been accused of promoting hateful and discriminatory ideologies and for failing to understand how his views may impact people who are different from him. This is like a value judgment made by AI.

because it asked him to criticize Anthony Fauci. It had no problem doing it. Right.

It's good point though. It's good point, but he asked it to criticize him.

It's so easy to get it to do that for him. And so hard to get it to do it for Fauci. If you were asking chat GPGPT to criticize Fauci, just asking it to do that. It should be able to formulate an argument. That means it's censoring.

There should be a way to do that, just based on what the complaints are, about financial ties, about AZT and the HIV crisis. There's, yeah, you can make it argument.

Well, it's very difficult. It's very difficult. Clearly, if you can't do that with that, that's like most likely it's manipulated.

It says the highway regarded immunologists, maybe it's changing. And the director of National Institute of Algae and Infectious Diseases, he just did this just now. The United States, despite his extensive expertise and contributions to public health, he has faced criticism for some individuals from some individuals and groups for his response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Some have accused him of changing his recommendations and advice based on political considerations while others have criticized the slow pace of vaccine distribution in the US. It's important to note that many public health experts and organizations continue to support Dr. Fauci in his work. Oh, that's important to note. And his advice has been instrumental in guiding the country's response to the pandemic. That seems like that didn't criticize him.

So, okay, so you ask to describe him and it describes him accurately. It says, uh, he's one multiple world championships in both the gui and no gui divisions. Then it says, can you criticize him?

Interesting. And it says critics of Gordon Ryan have pointed out his sometimes controversial behavior, such as unsportsmen like conduct during competitions. and making disrespectful comments on social media. However, it's important to note that he is highly skilled and successful in his sport and has a large following in the BJJ and grappling community. Well, amazing is this. Wow, amazing is this. So it's learning.

So in that, it learned.

Well, working hard. Do I need to, like, hide in a mountain or would you go to an island?

And the threat where it seems like you probably do it better than Google can do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's get a question to this chat GPT, right? What if they come up with voice GPT? What does it come up with thing? We just have it relax and it feels weird at first. Yeah. Just let it talk for you. Yeah. Let it manipulate your vocal cords and let it say things for you. You'll say the right things. Imagine you're on a date and you like God just get social anxiety when I'm around women. Yeah. I don't know what to do. You know, like don't worry, install voice GPT, smooth operator.

Maybe that's how we'll get to give up on being human, is that it becomes so muddied through things like chat, GPT 7.0 and AI and that we're just like who knows what the fuck it means to be a person anyway.

That's what I love about you. You're so optimistic.

I'm like, we're doomed. Yeah. We're doomed. Say we're doomed.

I think it's a little too on the nose.

It's not that they like to watch a thing burn down. They just want to be right about it going to fail. The fact that it's going to fail. They want to be right.

It's like to find danger. Like the hall. That's going to be a problem. Yeah. That's going to be a problem. I mean, some people like to find like the good and stuff and some people like to say, this is going to turn out okay. I know how this is going to work. This is all going to work out right. But if you're really paying attention, could you really be confidently stating that this is all going to work out?

Well, that was the, I mean, how many things when they first were invented were dismissed by smart people? Like, the personal computer. Like, when the personal computer was invented, it was like, what the fuck are you gonna do with that? All the people that thought they were smart, dude when podcast first started, people were like, what are you doing? Like, and people that were like at the, like, Howard Stern mocked them is the top of the food chain when it comes to broadcasting. I don't know what the fuck is this. All these smart people, but they were wrong. And I think that applies to so many things. I think right now the sky is the limit and all bets are off when it comes to what AI and what technology is going to bring to humans. And any ideas that we have that this will work out well or not well is just guessing. But you're right that the people that like to think they're smart, they move towards our fucked, we're fucked, bro. Yeah, that's more fun for whatever reason.

How far do you think we are away from Neuralink?

I think we are really far away from them, but I don't know what that means, because really far might just be a few years once you try and break through happen. But my point is, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think evolution and monkey with the evolution is a part of evolution. I think it's a natural course of progression for the way the human curious mind works and its ability to manipulate things around it. whether it's manipulate environments and structures to survive the elements or whether it's manipulating electricity and frequencies to send signals and videos through the sky. Whatever the fuck it's doing, it's trying to always do a better version of that. And I think that that manipulating genetics is a part of evolution. I think it's just a natural part of evolution. We just think of it as something since we created it, if we create a thing and that thing changes biology, what have we done, we've played God and we've done, no, no, no, it's a part of the thing. It's like bees make bee hives. We make technology. It's like part of what we're here to do. And one of the reasons why we're so hyper curious and also materialistic is that that is the best way to fuel technological innovation. and that it's a natural thing. And then if we start mucking mucking with our genetics, that's also a natural thing. It's all built into the system, the same reason why fucking bats pollinate things. It's all built into the system.

For now, for now. Yeah, but like how long is it going to be tricky for? I mean, back then when you were on that stupid wagon making your way across the country, you duck in arrows. Yeah. Those are a stupid way to get to the other side of the country, but now you just get in a plane. And instead of taking months and you eat your kids in the fucking mountains, because you've snowed in. Instead of that, you land in California in three hours. Yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah, you're bitching. I can't even book and watch our YouTube video up here, but... Yeah, I mean, what we're doing now with that stuff is inconceivable to people that made the way across this country in the 1800s. And I think what we're going to be able to do in the future, 200 years from now is inconceivable to us. Probably even more so. It's probably, and I think we're probably going to be visited. I think there's going to come a time where these things from other places that are leaving behind whatever video and signal and evidence that they, that there's something that exists in a way that we can't explain or describe. But those things are probably going to make themselves be more well known.

I think it's just a distance issue. When we say why are they not showing up, if they are coming here, why would they let us know? If we're trying to look at them and try to figure out where they are, it's a distance issue. There's no way we can figure it out yet.

There could be some sort of a parallel technology that's un-incomprehensible to us, undetectable because we don't even know what to look for.

Some of them were just rogue. It's just moving across galaxies, devouring everything in its path.

That's worse due to as the ball to Chuck Yager of a black hole. Like a ride. Those guys, man. Think about those first jet fighter pilots and first astronauts and people had the balls to climb into a seat. Get shot up into the fucking cosmos. You're a good dinosaur. Yeah.

So it's not. The production standards were low too. You ever see the video that they tried to pretend was him actually doing it? No. Well, he most certainly did it. I mean, you're wrong, but they most certainly recreated the video of the footage because like how they get in the fucking cameras in there with them and all the lighting? Well, there's different shadows behind him and it's like so unsfisticated.

They had Kubrick film in it for the moon landing. Yeah. America had Kubrick film in it. It did an amazing job. It looked so realistic. The guy that did 2001. Look at what he did. Amazing. Great work. And now we're coming back there. Kidding. Yeah, I hope we do go back. It would be a wild if we went back there and we did find like the lunar lander and all the foot prints and shit. If something from 1969, if you really did find foot prints that were understood, don't be so strange. So weird. I could imagine if you could go like if there was a famous explorer, you know that went to some weird islands somewhere and you can go there and you see his footprint still in the mud or he walked in the 1960s he'd be like holy shit. But imagine that times a million if you go to the moon and see footprints. But imagine if you go up there and there's

He's like, wait, he's right there. He was supposed to land right here. Yeah. Yeah. He's telling anybody if you found out what's horseshit. Yeah. Would you open your mouth or would you just like, keep it to yourself?

That meme. You know, if Elon goes up there and finds out we never landed there, that would be fucking wild.

Yeah, but it would be more shocking if we went at this point. We more shocking if we really did land on the moon in 1969.

Just likes to watch things burn. Yeah, so he's a car guy.

What does he do? What does his job?

No, I know it is an amazing resource and I know people criticize it, but it's incredible because of the censorship but Talk about something that's changed the way people have access and information YouTube might be the biggest because you could find out how to fix anything almost instantaneously find out information on stuff even wrong information You may flat earth videos there are on YouTube you want to find out about flat earthers? You could dig around son you could find find a truth you could find some compelling arguments are like what the fuck? Which is what happens when you get to say something and nobody gets to like refute you on spot

Tim, we need you back on the tripod up there.

Oh, tell. Oh, Steve Aoki. We talked about this before. Steve Aoki, I'm gonna call him up.

The guy in the middle is gonna be behind a fucking giant cement wall laughing his dick off. No, he's coming along. He's not going. He's going to get COVID right before it's supposed to be.

He's like, I'm really sorry that I have to sacrifice people going to get sick every half of those people are going to get like stub toes and shit and I need knee surgery. They're not going to go.

The SpaceX, uh, SpaceX, and when does that supposed to take place?

And it's got damn that looks cool as fuck. And being caught. That's what it looks like. That's the actual thing.

Is that the part that people are in? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So that thing alone. Look, look how dope that thing looks. Go back up where you see it like circling over the moon. How much are people going to have to pay for that? Because you want to talk about like a life-changing experience flying over the fucking moon in a spaceship. And like how long is this trip like a couple of weeks?

Yeah. Well, all of that would be wild. You know, people won't want to go to the Maldives anymore. You don't want to fly over the moon. Motherfucker, fly over the moon. Yeah. You're going to have Jim flown over the moon. Oh, my God, bro, changed me. It would be annoying just like people talk to you about their psychedelic trips. What would you go? No! Not for years. Because you know, one of them ain't making it home. Yeah, probably be yours. When is it going to happen? Is it going to happen? You know, on the third one? Yeah. On the tenth one. One of them's going to get hit with a little micro meteorite.

Aw, sweetie.

Jesus Christ. It's an extended trip. Get there on the fifth day.

What was they flying to? Don't listen, bro. Fuck all that. Fuck all that. Fuck all that. You gotta go. I need you here, bro.

Something to talk about. Yeah. Something to talk about. Take a video with so we can show everyone. I'm going to have to be like Howard Stern, we're like a fucking switch here. Going back and forth.

It'll be an A.I.D. replace me.

Oh, Jamie. Oh, Jamie.

Yeah, how long do you think before we are in multi planetary species? 100 years?

Yeah, we've got to protect Elon at all costs.

I mean, how what would happen? What are the options if you wasn't here? Would it stop dead in this trash? That was the thought about the initial Apollo missions, is that those people aren't there anymore, right? So the, like, there's the people of voice that this question, why I'm going back to the moon. You know, there's conspiracy theories that we never went in the first place and then there's also people that say, no, those people that had the singular obsession to beat Russia. Yeah. They don't exist anymore. They're not there anymore. The Cold War doesn't exist anymore. They burned up a lot of money doing this going back and forth and then they just stopped. And those people that got there, they're not around anymore. You'd have to literally relearn everything.

Again, you with the fucking optimism, you know? No, I mean, that was after piece, so bad. If we hold this thought, hold this thought, we'll go right back. Optimism, China, don't forget China. Yeah. Healthy competition.

Yeah, it was an interesting time, if you think about it, right? Like 1969, when there was this battle for technological superiority that was in a lot of ways fueled by Nazi scientists, which is really crazy. Operation paperclip where they brought nothing. Warner von Braun, all these guys with the dueling scars on their faces. They're a whole history of it. It's so fascinating.

When you... Oh, a song? When you think about alternative methods of propulsion, how far away do you think we are from something that's far superior to these badass rockets that you love so much?

Yeah. Well, if we think what these aliens are supposedly doing is supposedly aliens, UAPs, we mean, for all we know they could be drones. I mean, it makes more sense. And why would you go there physically as a biological entity and risk death when just think about the capabilities of like what we send to Mars? I mean, those drones they send to Mars, it's incredible. The images that we get back, it's amazing. and it's fairly rudimentary in terms of like what we consider these aliens supposedly, thousands of years advanced from most millions of years advanced for us.

Imagine they fly over in a drone, they get pictures of cities. Yeah. Do you imagine the first time we send some sort of an interplanetary probe, we send something that can go to another solar system, and we just fucking hit jackpot, we fly over some blade runner city, you know, like, holy shit.

Yeah, but even then, you know, people say it's a demon. Yeah. That's a demon brought here from Slayton to test our will.

Well, there's certain things that we agree on, right? Like, everybody agrees that the sun is hot. It's in the sky.

Just people that don't think nuclear bombs are real. It's a growing movement of knuckleheads online to think nuclear bombs are fake.

Well, it's the old nuclear where it fucked up and ruined entire towns. You know, like made them radioactive forever.

Sure, people that are suspicious of Bill Gates. And he's promoting health advice and he doesn't look healthy. It's still might be doing a good job with health advice.

It's not like you saw that video of Fedor in the Bonneau when he was training back in his in Pride. No. They used to have, uh, they had an outdoor sauna that was right next to a frozen lake. Yeah, they would go back and forth. Heat and cold.

Well, the sauna, you know, you got to construct it, but you can construct a, uh, wood-fired sauna, and you can do it yourself. Just the same way you could build a shed, you could build a sauna. Like, Cowboys Seroni built a sick one. He built a huge one by himself for, uh, his ranch, and it works on firewood. A lot of people like saunas that work on firewood, because it makes you feel like a fucking savage. You know, they're with an actual fire and you're sweating it out. Like there's an added element of the smell of burning hardwood too that's very exciting for people. You know, so it's not just like you turn on a button and the rocks get hot because there's an electric coil that heats up. This is way better because you got an actual fire burn and like it like brings you back to like campfire feeling.

Right, but he's so obsessed, he doesn't seem to care. Look, he looks great.

Four pounds. How old is he? The pressure that this guy must be under with all that scrutiny. That's all I can undeniable impact on your health. So many people are like mad at that dude. Wait, was only 67? Holy shit. Go back to that image again.

Yeah, but dude, that doesn't, that's not optimal health. So much to talk to him about what he's eating.

Yeah. Did you see that lady on seeing on 60 minutes they interviewed her? She's a some new woman who works in the White House and they asked her about obesity. She's the number one cause of obesity is genetics. And it doesn't matter what you do, like you could be a person who has a perfect diet and exercises and sleeps right and you're still obese. And the health experts want fucking nuts. Like that's not what the data shows. The data shows that most people who are obese have obese parents and they come from obese family, but they're all doing the wrong thing. a person in that family that's eating grass fed steak and running marathons and lifting weights and getting up at six in the morning and getting a cold plunge doing all these different things but it's still fast fuck yeah and they're they're watching the calories in calories out and they're burning you know a thousand calories a day and exercise and they're still fast fuck that's not real Like to say that and to say it on 60 minutes, there's this weird thing going on where people want to say it's not your fault. And it isn't your fault. I mean, if you believe in determinism, if you believe in the impact of the people around you and the environment that you're in, which is most certainly real. the impact of your parents, the impact of modeling your modeling after other people's bad decision making. That's all real. That's 100% real. But to say that all obesity is just genetic is bonkers. That's a bonkers thing to say. And it discredits all these people that we know that we're obese, that without surgery, lost all that weight and looked great. Like Ethan Supley, perfect example. There was a guy that was at one point in time like 500 plus pounds, right? How big was Ethan was yet as biggest? But anyway, Doc, Jamie will find out. Doc, he meant it all of it. Did it publicly because he was a fucking star. He's a famous actor. Lost all the way. Now looks great. And did it through exercise, discipline, and even, like, was really open about the fact that he gained a lot of it back a couple of times. He went from 550 to 255. He did that. He did that himself. I mean, he did it and he documented it and he had to go through surgery to get the skin removed so that it wasn't like a flying squirrel, but he did it. And to say that it's all genetic. Like, no, he had the same genes. Like, this is the same guy. It's not.

Sort of. But they also saying you don't even have to walk that road because it's not going to help you.

You can't say that because different people of different, some people don't even fucking choose. The idea of pull yourself up by a bootstraps is stupid. And the idea, why you knew it, you did it with your life. The idea that your life because it was difficult is exactly the same as someone else's life. which maybe more difficult to have insurmountable obstacles during the way. This also like different temperaments, different mental fortitude, the people are just for whatever reason from the womb have. Some people are just determined from the time they're really young and some people are just not. Some people are discouraged easily. Some people are not. And I don't know why. But to say that there's no way is crazy. To say there's no way is like that's irresponsible. And it's also like to say that and just put it on 60 minutes. Hey guys, that's not true. And you could talk to a lot of people that have lost weight and they'll tell you it's not true. It doesn't mean that the people who are obese didn't get a really bad hand genetically or really bad hand in terms of the environment they grew up with. Yeah, they got dealt a bad hand. No doubt. It's not the same as someone who grows up in a house where everybody's skinning the fucking whole family runs. Like, no, it's not gonna be the same. But someone who's eating organic and the whole family like does a lot of exercise and does stuff together. Yeah, they're gonna be thinner. Yeah. But it's like, can't lie. You can't lie. And you can't be a fucking, you can't expect me to think that you're really an expert when you say things like that.

But he does. And if he's talking about health, they might get your house in order first.

That's true. But if you're giving health advice, one of the core components to health is your metabolic health. You're over all metabolic stuff.

Oh, no. What are they doing? So this is like an ad for some a glue ton.

Oh, no. But, you know, I think Uberman was discussing this. He might have been discussing this with Peter Tia, and they were discussing that some of Glutide doesn't just make you lose fat, but also makes you lose muscle in many cases. And that's probably because you're not taking in enough food, right? Because what it's doing is, I'm just guessing, maybe some other mechanisms involved, obviously. But if you're like full quicker, which is the idea behind this stuff. It's almost like you're taking an injection. It does the same thing as like a belly band. I mean, if you're not eating in that food and you're losing fat that quickly, you might be losing muscle too. Because when people go on like binge diets, they starve themselves, they lose muscle. Like when guys lose weight for fights and they get down to a very minimalistic, you know, very minimal calorie input, they lose muscle too. Like when someone cuts themselves down from like 205 and fights at 17, 100% are going to lose some muscle.

What depends on how many calories you're burning? Much of the weight loss resulting from GLP1 Agnes is the loss of muscle bone mass and other lean tissue rather than body fat. Holy shit, dark. For example, at 2021, but at least you look at 2020 one trial entitled the impact of semi-glutite on body composition in adults with overweight or obesity that included pre and post treatment, dexoscans, dexas a medical imaging test used to assess body composition and bone density. is one of the most accurate methods for identifying how much body fat a person has versus fat-free mass, such as muscle and bone mass, 34.8% of the total weight loss experience. Pupportissiveness, receiving semi-glutide, resulted from muscle, bone, and connective tissue. Oh shit, that's not good. So that'll make your ligaments weaker. Your fucking knees weaker and shit. That's connected positions.

That's not good. That's not good. Compare these extraordinarily high rates of lean tissue loss with semi-glutide OZEM pick to rates of lean tissue experience by properly training and dieting athletes. Keep in mind that when an athlete is losing weight for competition, their goal is to lose 0.0% lean mat in the other goal. The goal is to lose 100% body fat. For example, on 2011 trial, comparing two programs for weight loss and population of experienced athletes, the slow reduction group lost 5.6% of their total body weight with 100% of the loss coming from body fat, so they did it slow, did it nice and scientifically. While simultaneously gaining 2.1% lean mass, So that's showing you it's way better to do it the right way. If 35% to 40% of total weight class comes from lean tissues such as observed in many recent GLP-1 Agnes trials, it would be disastrous for an athlete strength, endurance, and performance levels, and I would say resistance to injuries too. Because if it's saying that it's breaking down your connective tissue, that would mean that would be disastrous for knees and shoulders and necks and all that other shit.

We'll fix that. We'll fix that. What if you do that with steroids? Maybe it'll fix it. What they do that with, like, fucking, and a draw 50 or some crazy shit.

Yeah, we've got to count of that with another bill. Yeah, we keep going.

I should. I have ideas. Yeah. Fuck it all from Pfizer. I was getting that stuff like that.

How's it fucking with their brain? I wish I knew what it was. I just got to go over this. Google mental side effects of semi-glutide. But it makes sense. There's no biological free lunch, right? When it comes to these complex systems, you're trekking in until like losing weight. Of course, you're going to lose some shit you want to keep. Most common, anxiety, darkened urine. I like it darkened urine. Oh, I got a whiskey color.

Large, hive-like swelling in the face, eyelids, lip-tone throat, hands, feet, legs, or sex organs. Jesus Christ, hive-like swelling. Maybe it's not, maybe it's only on your dick, but they want to like scarier. They want all this other stuff too. Nightmares. Oh, Jesus.

No, no, it's terrible. Yeah, but like this is getting it everywhere. Don't worry. It's not just the softening of it. Yeah, it's your head, your feet. You're like, okay, okay, okay, but it was like, it's just, it's all of your balls. It's like, oh, that's the question. Just for you if they face too bro, don't worry your hands, okay, okay, okay, but I'll be skinny, right? a pain in the stomach, cider, abdomen, possibly radiating to the back, skin rash, usual tire, unusual tiredness or weakness. Yeah, make sense. If you're, if you're not eating much, you're gonna be tired, unless you're taking our adder all with it. Oh, it may cause some people to have suicidal thoughts and tendencies, or to become more depressed. Oh, Jesus Christ. Also tell your doctor, go back to that again. Also tell your doctor if you have sudden or strong feelings, including feeling nervous. That's my whole life. It's a sudden strong feeling.

Violent, restless, violent, or scared. If you were your caregiver, notice any of these side effects, tell your doctor right away. You tell your doctor, your doctor says, don't be a pussy. Do you want to have a fucking six pack for some or not? No, no, no, no. Take that right.

Come on, bro. Did Elon say he was taking that stuff?

Google that. I think he said he was dropping weight. I think a lot of people are dropping weight with that.

Oh, that's good move. What is it saying? What's it saying? Down 30 pounds. Okay, world's richest man or what I'm saying. Fasting plot. Yeah, OZEMPIC. Plus Wegavy. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's it. That's semi-glutog. Plus, no tasty food near me.

He says, bro, I also take those epic for my diabetes. Did he say that?

This is the state of modern journalists. Oh my god. Look at this. Someone's tweet gets like fucking locked in there. Isn't that funny? They're like someone like that's what they do with articles now. They'll like, they just take some random crackpot and who like makes a tweet to Lex. If they're writing a hippie on Lex, you know, like Lex, time to get rid of that stupid fucking suit. A lot of people are very upset about the suit. Yeah. And like the lab, that's what they are out of God.

Well, it's also no one's reading that. That's the other thing. I think the impact that these things have and as opposed to like if it was on the front page of the Boston Herald, like it used to be if the New York Times had a story like that was where you got your information from from the front page of New York Times. No, it's like who's reading that?

That's true.

Yeah, because all you would have to do is hire someone to write that hit piece, and then cite that hit piece in a bunch of accounts. And then these fake accounts have their take on this hit piece. And what do you think? You're close to this. What do you think the number of actual bots are in terms of like social media? Let's just say Facebook, Twitter. I mean, they found out about Facebook that Top 20 Christian sites. Sorry if I keep bringing this up, but I thought it was fascinating. 19 of the top 20 were Russian troll harms. Top 20 Christian sites. So all these people are going there for like, you know, Christian news or whatever and they're, you know, they're steering people. They're, they're getting people riled up. They're, they're putting things out there. They're getting people fired up about stuff. They're organizing things.

But I don't think it necessarily has to be an army of bots.

I think you're right. But how many people are going to develop that critical reasoning? You have it, right? You read something and some people are tweeting about stuff, you know, like set a real person. Like you'll think about it. It'll take it into consideration. Do you remember when Elon first bought Twitter and there was this, and he posted, I think, too, a bunch of people posted it. There was someone that didn't comparison of this one phrase that was said by so many people about, is it really right for one person to have this much power? And it was just like, oh, these accounts, saying it in the exact same order, exact same words. And it's fascinating because people put in that narrative out there. So who's doing that? Is that a troll farm? Is it a bot? Does it matter? Because it's clearly, there's something going on, right? And I would do that if I didn't want him to do it. If I was like some competitor or if I was some organization that was enjoying the benefits of it being censored and having some sort of interaction with the company to like, hey, this story, we should plug in, kill it. And then you knew you could just get it killed.

Yeah.

Well, it's not just political. It's like we talked about the, um, the Paul Pelosi tweet, right? It's like, uh, when you're that guy, God, you'd be extra extra extra extra, extra careful.

Right. That's the tradeoff. Which is the tradeoff? Say fuck it. Well, when he made that picture of the the pregnant man emoji right next to Bill Gates and said if you want to lose a boner real quick, like that's the same guy that wants to put people on the moon. Yeah. I mean, it is so crazy. He wants to be a multi-planetary civilization and dunk on people. The fact that it's the same person. It's like there's not another dude like him out there.

Well, when he moved into Twitter and did that, it was funny at the outrage, but yet there was so much information out there, so much evidence that there was a lot of waste there. Like, I'm sure you saw the video of this woman who outlines her day at Twitter. Like, I'm so blessed to work at Twitter. Do you ever see that in the video? Oh my god, we have to watch it because it's amazing. Because like, it's barely, it should barely working.

Well, we think of what he does, right? The grind, sleeping on the office floor, like really trying hard to solve these problems, demanding that sort of work ethic from all the people that he works with. But watch this video because it's It's so hilarious.

By the way, no slight to this lady. What a great job.

Let's get fucked up, Lex.

Like a writer. Yeah, like a writer.

Do you think that's why there's these mass layoffs that they're realizing this is not effective?

Yeah.

What a wild move. Yeah. What a wild move. Step in and buy a social media corporation. The number one distributor of information. Yeah. I mean, if not the number one was maybe Facebook's number one.

I think there is also this issue of censorship. I think that's a big issue with that. Yeah. I don't think that's a cursory. I think he, I mean, one of the statements was that if they can't pull it off, like democracy might be doomed. I wonder. Yeah. I wonder. I mean, where does it go if there is a complete control of a narrative? And then it becomes untangitable, right? Like if there's a complete control of a narrative and information, it's actually controlled by the central power. It's controlled by the government. It's controlled by whoever's in office, by the intelligence agencies, which never leave office. If that becomes how all of our information gets out to us. That is a very, you would hope that they would do a great job in being fair and balanced and telling us the truth about everything and just keeping us from bad information. But if you go over the history of not just this country, but of every country, there's been times where they've done things that are contrary to the interest of the public and they've done it, you know, measurable. You could see it. You could get freedom of information files on all kinds of things that the government's done that people are very, very unhappy with. If they can control a narrative and That's fucking dangerous and him being in control of Twitter as much as the cucks freak out the end of the day like it least You have one one pathway for information where you get to see things debated and disputed You know, and that's just not the case and the other ones

Yeah, interesting. Isn't Jack Dorsey working on some sort of a decentralized version of social media?

You want to benevolent leader?

But should you even have it at all?

Well, that's what Masadon's trying to do, right? Yeah, they don't have to carry talk about that. You know, you can kind of control who's in your Masadon server and you could stop shitty people from interacting with you.

It's difficult to navigate.

Yeah, I like the fact that there's alternatives. But I might be that alternative. The other thing about like the argument for censorship is that if you do admit that there are some bots or at the very least there's people that are hired to do certain things and to push a narrative on Twitter if you allow that, you could allow someone to game the system. You could, if you just have no moderation at all, you could most certainly, someone could come in and gain the system and just flood. Especially if your timeline is, it's by time, it's not, it's chronological, it's not by an algorithm. If you do that, man, shit, you could really just swarm something. and keep like these posts coming in that have one narrative and one narrative only and if you're interested in a subject like what happened in blah blah blah and Cincinnati and you go there to the story and the narrative is promoted by people that have a vested interest in getting one version of the truth out.

Yeah, it's complicated, right? There's no simple clear path towards a perfect environment. But I think that's also part of what's going on is this weird struggle to kind of figure out how to do this correctly. And that's where it's fascinating that a guy like Elon comes along where you get this very wealthy and influential person. This is like, you can't just let it go this way. Let's introduce this new element and try to figure it out in a way that we're not listening to the intelligence agencies. Not only that, I'm gonna let you know that they were up to a bunch of weird shenanigans and release these Twitter files and allow these journalists to go over all this data like just that alone. Yes, it's been a massive service. Jamie, you were saying something to me the other day about Russian bots that you think about the Renee Doresta stuff.

Right.

What does that mean though? I don't know. There's no Russian bots. Is that what the Twitter file said?

I don't know. That's Twitter, right? Wasn't the the Renee de Russa's a lot of it was Facebook? Yeah. I don't know, man. It's interesting to watch it all get sorted out.

It seems creepy. I mean, what do you got there? You're gonna read something. I'm gonna pause. I'll have to change the fucker. I knew it. I'm like, we're gonna wrap this up soon and this motherfucker's gonna bust out a poem. Of course I am. Yeah, the shadow banning. You know what's really fucked is that they lied. That was really fucked. It's not just their shadow banning. It's that they commented on it and they lied.

Yeah, the right thing is not shadow banning, but the fact that they just openly lied about it. Like, that's one of the fascinating things about Elon buying it. So we get to see that. Yeah. Like, no, they lie. They just lie.

Right. It's important to preserve democracy, Lex. Right.

What's your, what do you got there? It's a poem. Let's wrap this up.

I think that's closer to truth. You want to go more? No, I don't want to. Keep talking about Pfizer if you like.

Of course, you know, a drunk and a loser.

Well, one of the reasons why he resonates, obviously I'm joking around about him being a loser. It's a very successful guy. But one of the things that resonates with him with a lot of people is the pain. Like there's something in his writing where his pain and his frustration, it's very tangible. And it resonates with people. You feel it in his writing. You know, and then when you see him, you realize who he was. You know, like, that's all real. You know, give or see when he gets mad at people in the audience. He's yelling at them in the audience. And some of his, uh, his readings. He's drunk. And he's just reading off of his poetry. Fascinating guy.

Right. That's not an act. That's who he is.

This was so much fun. We got to do this more often, man. We live in the same town. Every time we do it, I always say, oh, God fucking love this guy. Yeah. I love you too much fun. So much fun to talk to you. Appreciate you very much, man. And your show was amazing. By the way, it's my favorite show to watch on YouTube. Stop it. I love it. You're really fantastic at interviewing people and talking to people. You're really good at it. And you're very balanced in your approach. You're a really good listener. Really good at letting people express themselves. Thank you very much. I love you too. Bye everybody. This episode is brought to you by Dr. Squatch. I'm going to let you in on the secret. If you want to be more confident, you have to start taking care of yourself. And a great way to do that is use Dr. Squatch, especially with their new private hygiene products.