Transcript for #1125 - Candace Owens

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. This controversy every five seconds.

It's just outrage culture. I say everyone should just wait like 48 hours if everybody hates you. And then they'll be honest the next person that they have to hate.

Really fast. It's never that serious.

I don't know that time. I genuinely don't know that time. How old are you? 29, it just turned 29.

Yeah, exactly.

It's new. Yeah, and I think the thing that sucks for me is that I'm really conscious of it. Like, I wish I thought all of this was normal. It would be easier. But like, even when I do things like just before this, I was like, oh, let me do an Instagram story that I'm about to go on Joe Rogan on like, hey, guys, like we on Joe Rogan and I'm like, how weird. I'm like holding my phone in a middle of talking to this device. I'm aware of it. It would be so much more natural if I wasn't aware of it. Girls that just, hey guys, all day, it feels normal. So being conscious of it is kind of not that fun.

I don't know. I think it's better. Ignorance is really bliss. I think, yeah, I think there are people that think it's the most normal thing in the world to just put your entire life on social media. And I actually don't think it's the most normal thing in the world, but my entire life is on social media.

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Yeah. So he got excited about you. Yeah. People have been really excited. I think it's just because I'm really unapologetically myself. And today that's like it's like seeing an alien.

It's insane. The outreach culture is insane. It's like, do you really want someone to lose their job? You shouldn't like a tweet? Like how weird are some of these situations? I'm like, do you really want this person not to be able to feed their family? Because you don't like a tweet. People are crazy.

insane I know it's it's like she just doesn't have a right to speak. She can't even talk even though I'm sure you don't agree I don't agree what she said right but the idea that she can't like have a conversation after that to me is like the most bizarre thing in the entire world but that is what outreach culture is yeah it's like they need you off the island

Right. And she apologized. Nobody cared. She's on.

She did that on this shy carpet. Ambien is just like sleepwalk. Like it instantly brings you into sleepwalk and you can do anything when you're on Ambien. I had a bunch of college friends who used to do Ambien and like bizarre stories would just come out. I'm like very anti-pills. I don't take anything. Nothing. Nothing at all. Did you drink? I don't drink. You don't drink anything. I don't do anything. Did you talk to her? I mean I wasn't always. I just I kind of got I guess you could say it's like a little bit of paranoia but once I started down this like journey of realizing that like oh my god I lived for 26 years in my mind wasn't my own like I thought like being a liberal was okay and like everything that was set on TV was okay. then it's like very easy to sort of get a little paranoid and go okay well what else did I do I accept normally that is actually retrospective like a little weird and I started thinking about drinking I'm like how can drinking possibly be the cure to everything like it's like you're getting married drink you're sad drink Right. A little embarrassed. Have some drink. Do you want to come out of your shell? Drink. No matter what emotion you have, there's like a liquor designed for it. So I was like, this is a little shady. Like, I don't know. I just feel like, and then I did a little bit of math. And I calculated that since I had started drinking when I was like 14 years old. And I would say like, fair, like I drink every week. And probably more in college, maybe five days a week in college, right? Then I was like, wow, I've technically drank for like three years of my life and that feels weird. So I'm just not going to drink anything.

Yeah, take a little break. Yeah, and which is weird because now I go places and I'm like, oh, I don't drink and everyone gets really uncomfortable. And they're like, oh, okay, I'll have a glass of water. I'm like, I'm not an alcoholic. You can have a beer. Um, yeah, that's a weird word, right?

Yeah, I'm the weird one. Yeah, yeah, they don't they don't they don't trust you. Like it's like, it's like, I can't trust this by. Yeah, I'm like, water's good. It's a very, it's good.

Yeah, and I'm at the age where all my friends are getting married and like the first thing they say when I say I don't drink it's like you're not going to drink it in my wedding. And I'm like, well, yeah, is that okay? Like can I still come and like they feel like you're ruining their wedding? Right. because you're not going to drink it. It's like a very strange thing. The culture of drinking as a non-drinker, you really realize how bizarre it is. I stopped drinking last November, so it hasn't been like super long but long enough for people to really have some weird feelings about it and just some...

It's just like the amount of confidence that I have like I have this theory now that alcohol like gives you anxiety like I used to be stressed out like I realized that I was self-diagnosing myself like I pick and I'm on a morning person I was probably just like perpetually hungover and never like now I like I jump up now in the morning I have so much energy so I'm like wow I wonder how many things I've been like psyched like self-diagnosing I'm like oh yeah my skin just got bad. Once I turned 26, like skinny, immediately clears up. So I'm like, well, how maybe I, I just had like so much alcohol in my system that I like developed random things, like just telling excuses.

No, and the best way to like stop drinking is to like read an article that freaks you out about like what drinking does. Like this is what I do. This is like how I train myself to do things. I'll like read some really extreme thing on the internet and then be like, okay.

No, like this guy had this theory that like alcohol and people call alcohol like spirits or whatever. That like when you drink like it allows like evil spirits to come into your body. Like the most bizarre thing. And I was just like, yeah, I can't drink anymore. I got to keep it from evil spirits. And that's what you used. Yeah. Yeah, just like read weird articles and then I'm like, I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm done. I'm over it. And then I realized like who else doesn't drink like the most like successful like Donald Trump has never drank alcohol which is just fascinating because I'm like I don't use a drink. He's got so much energy right like he's just like going at it and I'm like maybe that's that's the secret Charlie Kirk doesn't drink he's like 24 years old and taking over the world so I don't know who else Don Trump's junior doesn't drink doesn't I mean he did like I used to drink I don't know but he doesn't drink Yeah, I don't know so I guess the people that I'm around now don't drink so it makes it easier But they're just like highly productive individuals and I'm now like highly productive Kim Kardashian doesn't drink and whether you like drink too

People can drink around me all the time, I don't care. I'll actually, I will say, like, when people get like completely slosh, it's a weird thing to observe when you're sober. It's very weird. It's a strange place. It's like the other planet where everyone's acting like a toddler. It's like watching a preschool class. Yeah. I'm going to a bathroom, like, you know, why are you screaming close to my face?

And they want to get really close. Drinking makes you a really close talker. There's something where you need to feel like the heat emanating off of someone's face. Yeah.

Weird. It's a weird thing to watch sober. There's a certain number of drinks where it's fun. And then there's a certain number of drinks where like, wow, human beings are weird, you know? You're gonna go back. I mean, look, I'm sure I'm not gonna like never drink again, but like I'm not even, I only think about it. Like it's just like this is the new Candace. I'm sure like when I get married, right? Like I'm not gonna not have like gossip champagne, but like right now, like especially with like a stuff in them doing, I'm like, I just don't have the energy to be like tired. Right.

Yeah, I mean, I just like launched a YouTube channel and Yeah, a YouTube where we're magic app. YouTube's a strange place. It's a strange place, yeah. Well, it's the internet. The internet. Yeah, yeah. Stream things happen on the internet. But yeah, I just kind of, I was really passionate. Um, I understood I had studied for like, it sounds strange. We're like, I spent a year underground like studying politics once I had my bread pill moment. If that's what you want to call it.

So the story really starts with high school, I guess. You know how things can happen in your life and they don't make sense when they happen, you're like, why God me? And then you get a little older and you're like, this makes perfect sense. So I was the quote unquote victim of a hate crime when I was in high school.

I hate the word victim. Now I hate the word victim and it's I'm like and again early I can see why early on I've sort of developed this mentality that like being a there's no value being a victim and people rush to call people a victim. They rush to cost them a good aggressor. So how do you describe that you experienced something that was labeled a hate crime? I wouldn't even call it hate crime. I think we live in a label obsessed culture and before we seek to understand what happened we seek to like put it in a box. Yeah, like someone has to be a demon, someone has to be a demon. So what happened was I received some voicemail messages from about four kids and that like, you know, the language was it was pretty strong. It was like, we're in a tar and father of your family. We're going to put a bowl in the back of your head. We did a mar and Luther King, like, you know, and word, and word, and word.

I'm a cell phone, yeah.

Although there was a prank phone call, so I didn't know. I was like four male voices, and I was like in high school at the time, and I was like, okay, I cannot think of four human beings. I want me dead. That would say, like, run up, put a bowl in the back of your head, like we did to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks, like, maybe not.

Stanford High School and Connecticut. Okay, that's a shithole. Yeah, it's a total shithole. Yeah, no, the Connecticut's on a shithole.

Where, what's it?

Hartford is a shit hole. It's a shit hole. Bridgeport is a shit hole.

It was all in one night. Yeah, I was like four boys.

No, so I was just a boyfriend's house when I got the calls and I just like put the sign in because it was like block number. So I was like, I didn't think anything of it. And then like when I listened to it, like, It was like some pretty horrific stuff. Like I definitely cried, you know, I was 17 years old. And then the next day at school I took this like philosophy class and like I don't know what the topic was. I don't know what prompted me to raise my hand. introduce what had happened last night as like you know a segway maybe I just need to get off my chest but the teacher like spazzed out and was like get up we're going to the principal's office like you know you have to report this he brings me into the office a principal like freaked out like she just like the language was like you know if it was shocking you know and then she called like the resource officer and then like I the next period of life was like a blackout because It turned out that three of the kids I had never even met. Like this was like maybe some kids that had their first beer. One of the kids I was like friends with. But we were arguing because he was upset that I was spending so much time with my boyfriend. But I didn't want to keep what he's gay. Like he wasn't like he just was like jealous. Like you know, like just like I using out from every day started hanging off my boyfriend. So stupid thing.

from what I'm told, but yeah, so. So then just got petty jealous. And then there's like three friends and they were all gonna get drunk and call these, call this black girl and it's easy to say awful things into like this. If you don't have to look at a human being, like it's easy to say awful things, but unfortunately for me, one of the people in the car happened to be the current governor of Connecticut's son. So this turned from like some kid's prank called to like set some awful things to like front page of the newspaper. Throughout the entire step, Connecticut, a little bit in New York. NAACP outside of my school. I have to live as like this situation that was talk about outreach culture. My first like introduction to outreach culture and the things that sort of formed my thoughts. This was a very formative experience in my life. which to me, it was non-political, but it was like, my life wasn't mine. I went from sitting down watching, I was watching Talladeganite with my boyfriend, to being the most discussed person in the state of Connecticut. And what was interesting about it was just that, because it was the governor of Connecticut's son that was in this car. They had to get the FBI involved to determine the authenticity of the, like, like, maybe she called herself. Right. They, instead of just saying, like, yes, it was my son. He actually let the FBI investigate for six weeks and waited for a son to get arrested six weeks. You know what I mean? Like, did his son deny it? Yeah. I'm, if this one is if they could get away with it, this is politics. You know what I mean? Like, can we get away with it? Is it plausible for us to get away with it? You know, so six weeks of the entire state, I didn't, like, left school. People were like fighting on my behalf, fighting left school.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was just like, it was like a monstrosity of a situation. And it was one of those things where like literally like letters to the editor, it'd be like, mom's like, talk about, you know, outrage culture, right? Like, I don't believe Candace like this happened this girl. I believe she called herself like, like, I'm just looking for attention one night. And I just decided to say I was gonna hang my family from a tree.

It's bizarre. I don't believe even writes letters to the editor. Like, the whole thing is weird retrospectively, right? Like, I don't believe her, but that is what life is about, right?

It was the situation that was just completely out of my control and then as quick as it happened it was over for like everyone but not for me or these kids right like so I never wanted these kids to get arrested like if no one like this whole situation was taken out of my hands. People thought I didn't go to the police. My teacher went to the police. It turned into the zoo. These kids were labeled publicly racist, right? The youngest kid in the car was 14. I'm not comfortable with ever labeling a 14 year old racist, right? Or any of these kids racist? These are kids. And in my opinion, adults that fail to act like adults. And adults that fail to take a step back and say, OK, why would what would prompt these kids do this? Why is it so easy to be mean? Right? Why is it so easy nowadays for children to be mean? And no one to me, like when I really thought about that, I went through like five years of like anorexia because of the situation.

Yeah. And yeah. Yeah, which is so weird now because like people that know me now, there's no way you never didn't eat, but I did. I did like, did not eat for like five years. I had issues with anorexia because, I mean, anorexia is a disease that genuinely is about control. It's about a certain control of your life and I felt that I had my life was fine and then like people took the narrative and I could decide to turn what the narrative was. You're a victim or maybe you're a liar. You know, these kids are racist. These kids are this and just nobody really thought that like you actually ruined all of our lives, right? Like for a little bit like these kids went on to have like DUIs and get arrested and gotten to drugs and

And I was like, what have been totally cool with an apology. Like, you know what I mean? Like, sorry.

Exactly.

It's really understandable when you just think about it as a human being, and not as somebody who has to have a opinion, like, you're like, hey, we're gonna call this black girl, right? You've got a bunch of kids. We're gonna just say, mean things to her on the phone, and you don't have to look her in the face, right? It's like if I hold up this pen, And I'm like, just say mean stuff, like someone's going to get you can say anything to this pen. So it's sort of, it was a formative experience that in retrospect, I understand, has so much to do with why I'm who I am, because I hated that, like that label of says culture and the outrage machine and then like, okay, we're done, but like, you know, forget the people that who's lives, we just like,

I don't. I know like the siblings of them because I was friends like that's the thing like one of the people that was involved. I was very good friends with this brother and it's like you're just gonna tell me this kid's like a racist like I actually knew the kid's mother. You know like nobody cared. It was just a hot story.

Right that they could just be a judge and they might have been drunk. You know like drunk. Maybe it was their first beer right, but people can do the youngest was 14. The youngest and this person was labeled a racist like that's to me is like that's harsh.

Yes, the words are racist, right? Can somebody, I guess the question is, can somebody say something, say a word that is racist and not be a racist human being? Yes. I think, no, I'm going to tell you why yes. Okay. Okay. If somebody stand up, I was watching. I actually don't remember who it was, like maybe. He was Lucy, I don't know, but he was saying how he like instantly turns into a racist like if somebody cuts him off as like a Chinese person like he like instantly the first thing he's has like something to do with him being Chinese right and there's a little bit of that in all of us like I was walking through New York City the other day and like a huge bus like just happened to like stop in front of me and like literally 45 agents got up and suddenly I was just like I couldn't like walk and I'm like oh I was like why do Asian always travel in packs right like the most bizarre thing like I don't have an issue with them taking a bus and traveling and then afterwards I giggled I was like what a stupid thing us to put thoughts even had to have because I'm frustrated in a moment that I can't like get my bearings in New York City so yes I think that people in a moment of frustration of anger if you add alcohol if you add ambient right And are coming from a place of upset, they can just do something that's stupid without holding this like, hold word for the rest of their, like, you're 14 year races and forever. You are a race. That's right. Yeah, you're a recovery. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. They want to know that you're dead.

Right.

He was he was this is rapist. Yeah, this is rapist. Yeah, this is rap.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I bet she doesn't.

She's left wing. She's left wing. It's okay. It's a space to say sorry.

I don't know job at ESPN. It's they don't care.

I think about what people say about Ben Carson and black conservatives. Ben Carson was literally called a porch monkey. And that's totally fine. He's black. It doesn't matter. They've created this system.

No, it was a famous person. Absolutely. It was a famous black person.

Yeah, but it's a porch monkey is like, and not like, I don't care who it's coming from, right?

Uncle Tom's cool stuff that. Yeah.

And I don't like those laws and rules.

Which is crazy. Yeah. But it's only accepted. Like if you have any ties whatsoever to conservative thought, if you have even like like a tweet that Trump's in now, like forget about it, forget about it.

Right. They're obsessed with labels. And I hate that. I think the idea that you can't say something like, they were literally, I mean, everyone piled in every celebrity on the Sun piled in when I tweeted a couple of weeks ago that I was having a conversation. And I don't know if you saw this, I was like, I was having a conversation at lunch. I've just been observing Chelsea handler. I just think she's a weird person. I don't know what happened because I used to really like her, like, you know, 10 years ago.

Yeah. But when she was, I had her show. Like, she was not politically correct. I mean, I don't know if anybody remembers the show Chelsea lately, but she was making fun of everybody. And now with the era of Trump, she's like, something's weird.

I'm talking to like I'm talking to like a friend at lunch. I was and we were talking about like why some of these like older women have just gone bunkers and you know my friend made a comment she's like if you don't like use your eggs a scramble like just saying like that my friend said but I didn't even tweet that I didn't tweet that

If you don't use your eggs, it's scrambled, so I was like cracking up, I know. But there's something there, right? It's something there. It's not politically correct, but I observe the pattern of Kathy Griffin. I observe the pattern of Chelsea handler and Sarah Silverman on the fence. Not as bad, but in that neighborhood, so I tweet out. Do you think there's something associated like between like women who don't have children and they need something to nurture and foster and try to raise? And in this sense, it's society. They are just trying to parent the hell out of society. And do you think Sarah does that? Sarah goes back and forth. She's more in North America. She's a kind person. She's a kind person. But there's something like, once in a while, I'm just like, what? I did actually go back when I said, you know what, Sarah? I shouldn't put you in the same category as Kathy and Chelsea. But it's like, they're obsessed with everything. And they're completely wrong and educated about everything. And yet they think they can say whatever they want. So I tweet this. And I mean, everyone was like, you delete, like, delete the tree. Like, Ellen, um, the Ellen shows producers. Like, I mean, Jake Tapper. Like, delete the tree. I was like, I'm not deleted. Jake Tapper. Yeah, Jake Tapper jumps. Jake Tapper jumps. He doesn't delete the tree. You know, he said, like, this is literally, so I tweet this. That's nothing to do with Trump, anybody. He's like, this is the girl who, like, supports Trump and works for turning point USA, which loves Trump. I'm like, what was that weirdish, like, logical jump to ever. Yeah. And I just like, I'm like, Jake. Jake, stop yourself, like, come on. And everyone was just like, delete the two, and I was just like, how about, what was the actual wording of the tweet? I think my exact words were at lunch with a friend talking about like how bizarre Chelsea handler Kathy Griffith and Sarah Silver and so for Sarah Silver and so for Sarah Silver and I just tweeted something like pro MS 13. It was like the whole age reo was bizarre, you know? And how crazy they've got. And then I just said, like, do you think that something really happened to him? And if they don't have, you know, children? And that was, it's just a question.

Any that's why I was like imagine you can say anything to me. Well, I'm just going to let him lose her job. And you can say anything to Ivanka, you can say anything to the center centers, anything to anybody to me, anybody that supports Trump, but doesn't matter. But then these women who literally go after these people, like the amount of vitriol that Chelsea Handler has thrown to Ivanka, to every single woman in the world, Chrissy Teakens also, like, angry, hate hate hate. And then, like, you say one thing about them, and how could you even question? How could you even ask a question if it's because they don't have kids and I'm like the fact that you guys are so outraged makes me sort of think that you know point there Yeah, a little bit and I didn't really if you didn't have any point at all it wouldn't work and that way Yeah, no one to be upset at you.

She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about and I tweeted that I was like there's got to be something year guys are all losing your minds You know and I so Sarah still remember responded Kathy good from like they went nuts. This was like a full-on like

I know. I know. She's bizarre and they've gotten bizarre and at one point these people to me were funny and something sort of just happened and like Trump is the means like they whatever they're going through in life the outlet is Trump and anybody that likes Trump.

I know, and usually when I go after someone, like, I mean, I'm not that phased in my life for it's all peace. Like, I'm definitely a person that'll just say something. But usually it's just in, like, that's what I thought. Like, you know, it's the sort of thoughtful, like, and people were like, back down, or you can't, like, you know, like, yeah, this morning or yesterday, like, Ben Shapiro and I got and it's like a little spat, and we actually like each other. But like, I just get a spat about. I just, I genuinely annoyed by his behavior online. Like, I just, I just find him to be like, Like, and by the way, I like him. Like, that's the thing as a bizarre. It's like, I think people think there's much more like hate between us and there is. It's like not. It's just like genuinely like a real sweet stuff like to shut up. What do you say? What do you say? It's like a little like petty things that he throws at Trump sometime that are so unnecessary. Oh, you're sticking up. He was right. We're not. It's not even Trump. It's like, he like, Kim Kardashian goes to, you know, get Alice Marie Johnson. Like, she's been fighting for this for years. She put all of her money into a legal team to do this. Like, and that's not the only case she's working on. Like, actually trying to help these people get clemency. And she takes a picture and he's like, he says something just very Ben Shapiroi was like, We should not be worshipping. So that's a little extreme of an analysis for a meeting and the picture is taken. There's a full time photographer for every person that meets the president. You get a picture in the mobile office. It's like a part of the system. And yeah, so I was just like, dude, shut up. Like, I didn't say shut up. I said like,

That's it. She wasn't like, I think he said something like, we shouldn't allow celebrities to shape policy. She wouldn't go there or shape policy. She literally had a case that she's been trying to get part in. The only person that can do that happens to be president Donald Trump.

That's what I said. And I said, listen, like, and she's been working on it for years. She's actually into this now. Like, she's into this, like, prison reform. And I'm passionate about it. Like, I grew up seeing my uncles and prisons. So like, for me, the only time that I, like, snap back and you want to see if it's something that I care about. And obviously, like, I really am passionate about black America. I'm really passionate about the changes that can happen for black America. and prison reform is something I'm really passionate about. So I've been observing how hard Jared Kushner's working on this, how hard Ivanka has been working on this, and have really understood what they're trying to do. I went to the prison reform summit a couple of months ago, and Kim, she doesn't even agree with Trump on a lot of stuff. She's thrown some shade at him, but this is something that's Alice Marie Johnson case she was doing before Trump got into office.

I'd be like, huh? Yeah, but she cares about just the case.

Boyd ain't like this. I will say it. I will say it is awkward, though, because his desk is a lot lower than you realize.

We either have to like stand up straight like she's standing or like bend like I bent when I was in there, which is also kind of weird too. So it's like you see people that either like this or they're like this and there's no one between.

Yeah. Exactly. That's what I should have done. Yeah.

Nobody does nowadays.

Yeah. But I guess the question is, can a celebrity do a good act, you know? And sure. And of course the answer is yes.

Oh, really? And which is good. Yeah. That's good. That should be celebrated.

Right. Which is good all of that stuff like when they do stuff like that it's great and it's honorable but like the stuff that I hate that celebrities do and what I which I differentiate from and I guess this confuses people is when they just give their opinion like we you know at like the Emmys and they're on stage just like teaching all of us about how wrong you know our opinions are it's like I don't need this celebrity grandstanding like yeah You know, if there's an issue you care about, all of the fact that people disagree with you, then sure, do that. If you care about, like, ashton, put your going after sex trafficking, celebrate that. That's cool. Like, Kim Kardashian going over after crime justice reform, celebrate that. That's cool. But when you get these celebrities that just get up there and try to deliver a tear, it's like shut up, literally nobody cares what you think.

Thank you.

Yeah. Remember the days when they used to do that? Yeah, they used to say a couple of names of producers, couple of little piece paper and then they used to always think the man upstairs and they used to go down. Now they have like, like the face and the emotion.

I've, I've, I've budgeted this guy. Same as dudes. Yeah. It was one Marvin, am I making that up for you? Yeah, I think Marvin was like, it was said it was Marvin Gaye, but it's been, you know, it's, it was humorous.

So then it just became like a culture of like trying to one-off each other. So it's going on. It really was him. Like it's a bearable. It's unbearable. It's unbearable. You know, it's just like a lot. Yeah, it can't stand it. It drives me insane. But that's a huge difference. That doesn't mean that I think that celebrities can't do good in the world. It's just that like the celebrity brand standing can be survived on this journey. Beerable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Standing. Wow. I did not know that like this is heavy head. Wow. This is where it all began. That's where I'm. Wow. So then this is that people are just been trying to one up each other. Maybe.

Right. I was like, what? They tweeted it. It's insane. It's like, they're not even pretending, which I appreciate now. They're not pretending to be the news anymore. Like, you know, they're just like, we hate Trump. And we are the propaganda machine that will tell you, you know, you know, it was just the NBC Twitter.

It said something like, it was amazing speech by hours. I was just like, wow. Yeah. Wow. And then everyone was like, it was like the opposite of outrage culture, which I don't even know what it is. It's like run, run, run, run. You have to run because like the Davis speech,

Yeah, it's just like I can't take anything seriously anymore.

Yeah, it's so Bench Piro's right. Yeah, no, well, he's right about this, you know, but he was like trying to correlate like what Kim did, like with Alice Marie Johnson, like that, and I'm like, come on, man, that's like totally different. And just in general, like sometimes she just gets a little like hall monitor for me, like, you know, like it's just like, you know, he can help him So I know he's a funny guy.

I like him a lot. I like him too. That's a thing. It's like we actually really get along. But like the the hall monitor. I know these types in school. Like I was in their classes. You know, like they're just like, like late to school. Right. It's the last person you want to see is like the hall monitor. Like you know, like, I think the idea. Like that she would be late. Right. Yeah. Like he's burning your pinks. Like Ben just gave me the pinks. That's just gear to me, Ben. All right. Like, right. Like, you know, this is a gateway to Saturday school.

It's just, it's so bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't even understand what he's saying sometimes. Yeah. You're like, I can't do that.

Yeah, he does that man. But I liked these kids in school. I'd just be like, you know, I was just the kid that was just like kind of like more chill. I don't need to like, and sometimes when he just goes over stupid stuff, it's like, but I do wonder like, if he's learning anymore, that's the one thing. Like, yeah, because he doesn't like to have like, it's like once he has an opinion like I like to be like to have conversations and I like to be wrong about the conversations because I don't know everything. I think that's kind of like why people love this podcast so much because you're open to learning anything, like you'll have people on this podcast, you're like, what's he having? You know? Because there's always something that you can learn. There's always something that you don't understand, that you don't know. If you have an open mind. If you have an open mind, right? And I think that in many ways and that like sometimes you just not open to learning about certain things and then somebody might know something about a culture beyond what he knows. And it's just like, nope, that like the idea, right? It's just, which I think is easy.

That's the problem. And I'm like, who did this? Yeah, and I wrote him an email. I was just like, dude, like, I understand that to you and the way that you've done your life, this doesn't make sense, right? But this is actually really important for black people to see it. The Kanye West thing? It was the most important thing.

Him tweeting out, I love who I can't say anything, but beyond that, saying that he openly supported the president. So I can see why Ben shuts something like that down initially, because to him, like, culture is not the way you talk about politics, right? Like because he's by the book, but he has to understand that by the book is not the way people in the hood are being raised, by the book is not the way people in the projects are being raised. He's people have had their families destroyed and decimated by the welfare system, right? The fathers aren't even at the homes, you know, the single motherhood rate jumped from 25% and 1965 to 74% today. And so these kids turn to culture to father them. They turn to Jay-Z and Beyonce and hip-hop and Kanye and to tell them what's right and what's wrong. So for so long because the left has had a stranglehold on culture, they've had a stranglehold on black America. So the most significant thing that opened up this dialogue beyond the work that I was doing was this like simple tweet and this simple show of support from Kanye West. And I was so frustrated that he had, he had to like, in that moment, just right, like, dismiss him as crazy. It's just like, dude, like, just be willing to learn. Like, you know, just be willing to say, like, I don't understand why the hell this is the way that this is black people willing to talk about politics, right? But maybe there's something here. And I always understood that culture was the most important vertical. When Charlie and I first met and we sat down, I defined three vertical. Charlie, Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. Okay. So Charlie Kirk is like this. 18 year old like we started turning point USA who I work for when he was 18 and he is like a savant they call him like Trump's boy wonder like he's a brilliant if even you want to talk about like smart be on like the smartest person I know is Charlie Kirk hands down and he's only 24 um he didn't he didn't go to college just like I don't know just like he was reading weird stuff when he was seven you know I don't know like just like things that everyone's like oh yeah I just read that Tom is so he's like yeah right I want to have a sex you know what my child could you not say that could you be cool But so when Charlie and I met and I like I told him like my plan to sort of help Black America and to wake them up because I understood how we had fallen victim to this brainwash. The leftist dogma, just this idea that because we're Black, we have to vote Democrat and anybody that is not a Democrat is racist and against helping us. That is like what so many Black Americans believe. I believe it. I believed it, you know what I mean? And I'm a pretty smart girl, you know? I've always been a very smart girl. I've always been, you know, I've excelled in academics, right? So how did I fall victim to it? The exact same system, right? These three verticals, the first being the family, the breakdown of the family, the second one being culture, which then to me, like growing up, it was like Jay-Z, like Jay-Z was God, to me, like I would throw on, like I was, you know, I went through a lot of stuff when I was a kid, I didn't have a great family. Um, you know, um, but I would throw on a jazzy album and like whatever he said was like it was like going to church, you know, um, and then and I can't stand him now, but the third vertical. No, because he knows exactly what he's doing and he's a trader, but the third vertical being education, which was what a casual side. He's a traitor. Yeah, it's like Beyonce, he's a traitor. Because he knows what's happening to Black America and he's somebody that built his entire career off the backs of Black America, you know, of being the guy who started in the hoating in, you know, Queens and worked, you know, as a drug dealer and worked his way up and it became the idol for some people in Black America and then he stands on stage and endorses Hillary Clinton. He stands on stage and tells Black America to put the same people in the White House that locked up more Black men than any president history of the United States, Bill Clinton. Right, the person that stands on the crime bill of 94 is Bill Clinton, but because Jay-Z is now focused on getting a piece of the pie, the globalist piece of the pie he doesn't care about black America. That's that's my opinion.

Oh god, no, it's not even kind of not for a single side of you because Jay-Z is very smart. Do you speak to him? No, I didn't speak to him. I just, I know. I get it. It's a certain thing where like I just, I know that Jason Beyonce betrayed the black community. Like they are.

Yeah, I think that they, they were interested in having, they want to be the people that controlled the world and they felt that Hillary Clinton, like, you know, they were working with Obama very closely and very clearly now we know that the Obama administration worked very hard to get Hillary Clinton to office and they wanted to stay in that group. and so they supported Hillary Clinton who were selected behind closed doors for get the American people to the next president of the United States.

It was in bed with Obama, you know, she was our secretary of state and she was doing deals behind closed doors and Jay Zayne Beyonce were a part of that click.

Yeah. Yeah. They get attacked. Look at Rosa. They get attacked by part of left and right.

Even if they're a reasonable person, even if they're a person who's kind and measured and very, even if you feel like the nicest person, I think I've ever met as a market Trump, you know, and she's like never responds, never punches back and look what they, how they treat her.

Oh, all the time they go after Ivanka. And like she's like such a kind person, but it's just because like her father is Donald Trump. So it's open season. That's why Jake Tapper jumps into a tweet about Chelsea handler and tries to correlate Trump. It's like they're obsessed with people that like Trump. I like Trump. I don't know what to say. I like the guy. I think it's really fun.

Just like so yeah like the sadness I remember his face he was he was really sad he was he was sad he was he was he was sad he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he

And now we have that never ever. You know, it's forever. They laughed. They laughed. I remember there's a moment where like, and culture, they said, so who do you have winning? And she says Donald Trump and they broke into laughter. Like the cool kids, yeah, the cool kids at the at the lunch table. And that's really how they've been acting. Like they're not interested. They think that they're the cool kids. at the lunch table and they get to define what's cool and they're they're just having a rude awakening right now and it's beautiful to watch. I love it. I love it.

That's what it said. It's like teams. It's like sports fanatics right now. It doesn't even matter. There's little sense anymore. It's just like this is the team that I've pushed my life to. And part of that is ego. You just spent how many months calling everybody racist, sexist, deplorable. Are you really going to go away? I think you know what I was wrong. They have to hold on to something. And I see that because when I went to this prison reform summit, Van Jones was there. And Donald Trump was speaking in it. It was like love between them. It was love. This is the guy that said White Lash, you know, right after the election and he, you know, but how can he go back from that? It's very hard to, you know, pedal backward from that. So half of them are fake in my opinion. I find them to be fake because I've seen them behind closed doors. They don't feel that animosity for the president because it's hard to. He's really likable. I mean, like his presence when you meet him, he's very aware of himself. He's aware of the jokes that are being mean about him. He'll make the jokes about himself and yeah, he's, he's likable. He's got, he just has something about him.

I actually missed that too. I'm just laughing because every time someone says a Trump tweet, I just like, I laugh, I just think it's funny.

I'm telling you. And we're in a different direction. I predict in 2020. He's not going to go on seeing it. He's going to be here. He just wants to talk and it's really hard. It's really hard for these people to speak because what happens is they go on to a stage and the room they love him. They write everyone loves him because he's really likable. You can't be in a room with Trump and not laugh and like him.

I know. I know. But then they take away the clips and they they spliced up and they make it like he said something bad. But what they're doing is it's a terrible game to play because you're not just lying on Trump you're lying on 50,000 people, you know, the thousands of people that are there here in speak, right? Like so they're playing a game where then those who would get pissed off.

But if they were ridiculous, they don't have to mess up. For example, when that moment when he says, oh, if this was the old days, we take you out to the back. Do you remember that moment when he said while he was running? And somebody was causing a circus in the crowd. And he's like, get him out of here. And then the way they ran it, right? Like, oh, in the old days, when they used to hang black people from trees, like what? What? I think he literally meant that you used to be able to get your ass kicked. Yeah. That's how they spin it. And then the same thing like when he said to Wakiwa, what do you have to lose? Prior to that, he had listed every stat. We're quite literally got to have it anyway. I mean, lose here, you know? But then they get that clip and they're like, oh. Trump is insulting black America. He's saying that they all live in, no, he's saying that statistically speaking, if you look at the people that live in the project, look at the people that are in poverty, it is black America. So he's asking the current, the past administrations have not been serving you. What do you have to lose? So it frustrates me because it's like you see that that they mix it up and they try to divide the country. But at the end of the day, unfortunately for them, he's actually really likable. And same for Don Trump Jr. Like, I mean, they're really funny. They're really likable and they're aware of themselves. Like, they're in on the Joe guys.

The two words. I actually haven't even heard the words that I promised.

I will not listen to the word. Yeah. Just to watch a little power in my life. Yeah. I don't care. I literally don't care. I didn't even listen to the word. Yeah. But yeah, they made fun of themselves. Yeah, let's see it. We'll play it. Kelly and Kelly was the best.

But they're all like that, like Ivanka, like they're all aware of the joke, like they're in on that.

Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, if that's the thing is they're like they're in on the joke and I think that people don't realize like how in on the joke they are like they're like he's aware that you say all this stuff about the fact that he tweets out and says all of this stuff right like like Don Trump Jr. is aware like that he's a billionaire son and that's what people say. Oh, you're a billionaire son like They're so funny. And that it's sad that people don't get to see that side. So I actually do hope that they all come on this show because it's people should actually see how hilarious they are and how aware of themselves. I like the most to me in my opinion, the most likable, relatable first family of my lifetime. Like, you know, I can't speak to anyone, but they're so.

My God, are you good? You don't think he's likeable guys. You know what's funny? I was at a dinner last night with people that came over from Cuba. And this woman said that when she first heard Obama speak and she was, you know, way older. She broke down crying because it reminded her of the first time she heard Fidel Castro speak, which is a bizarre thing to say. I was just like, what? I don't know anything. I've never been to Cuba. And they got scared that America was going to turn to a communist country. It was with a bunch of Cubans. Yeah, crazy, right? Like this literally came out of their mouths.

But what they know, but what they say could be, but what they were saying was like, The veneer of it all like like you know that it was like exactly what you wanted to hear Obama said in the perfect in the perfect tone with the perfect hand Manorism with you know, um with the I don't know the perfect inflection is voice and there's something about that to me like especially the person that I am that just was super in authentic and not saying by the way Obama launched that was neat at cried like the let's let's let's let me not be fake here like I was like He's black. I'm black. Everything's going to be great. But as things went on and I was watching him, it just everything seemed so fake and he wasn't really doing anything. So I just don't respond to that sort of a personality. I like that authentic. I think if that's why Trump coming in behind him was so relatable as a president. There's this theory and it's a good one by Timmer Karan that Why do like revolutions take place unexpectedly? You could argue that right now America is having a revolution. We're not out there shooting each other, but there's an ideological revolution, a cultural war, if you want to call that's taking place. And to many people this seems unexpected, right? Obama was in office and then like, well, went to Donald Trump. And the theory is that when the public and the private of an individual, our personas get too far apart, a natural revolution takes place. And society really has just been so fake. I mean, like, everything offends you, everywhere you go, people get offending up people's hair. Like, literally, Kargashians will put their hair in braids, and the whole internet will explode, saying that they need to pay tribute to Africa. Like, the crazy, I'm like, I have never in my life. looked at someone's hair and felt emotional. I'm just like, whatever you're doing your hair is fine with me. Like, if you took the time to do it, it's fine with me. But the idea is just that as a culture, we've become so fake.

I think it's a fake. It's a fake. It's fake. It's 100. There's no person that can tell me that like the first time they saw a braid on someone's hair and upset them. But then somebody told them that they should be upset. But like privately when they're at home, you would think that they get upset when they're watching TV.

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It's too easy. It's easy to live.

It's no humor either. And that's another thing. It's like especially like you a former stand-up comedian, right? I'm current. You're still, I don't do it. But do you tour and do you do comedy? You're fucking tour and do you speak? I do. Can you do comedy? Do you wanna be? I, okay.

I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit. I don't do that shit.

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People don't realize, I think they don't realize how little I care about their outreach. And while I always say to myself, I wonder if they knew how little I cared if they'd actually write the article. Like if they actually knew how little I guess.

Well, I just know I was fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by it. Because like, Jake Tapper was like, a day where they all were just like, ah!

Yeah, yeah, the next day was over like you know like just now with like Ben Shapiro. It's like no one care like I don't care. I know Ben doesn't care. I don't we like we're gonna see each other in one week like in two weeks in Texas. We're doing an event together. Like I see them all the time and I like them but like to everyone else they're weighing in it's like it's like

I appreciate that.

So two things. So to reconcile what happened to me in high school. Right. We got to that. Yeah. So two things happened after, right? Two things. And I wanted to do that. I wanted to correct the world, I guess. I wanted to correct what had happened to me. So the first thing was I launched a website, like a blog for young girls that were going through things. I had gotten out of the eating disorder. And I wanted to just give girls that may be going through something a way to write, right? So I built this blog at your own age. I told them they can write whatever they want. That was the first thing. The second thing I wanted to do was to combat, like, I felt, and I still feel in my soul that children today are growing up in a time that people don't even stop to think about. We have 10-year-olds that are coming themselves over Snapchat. Snapchat. Look, as someone who posts pictures on Snapchat, and they kill themselves. And no one really thought about how much technology has negatively impacted the ability for a child to grow up, right? But they're concerned about the way they look. Like, I used to babysit a name to put myself through some years of college. Nanny for these kids, they care about how they look when I was 10, I didn't care how I looked. I didn't even know how I looked. I definitely didn't. I've seen the pictures, right? And now we have kids who are close to the second thing I wanted to do. I said, I have this great idea that I'm going to build this project. This is the social autopsy. bit that the YouTubers were freaking out about and they thought that it was a political machine and it was going to be to help children. I found out.

It was never launched. It was an idea that I had to build something that would be like screenshots of what people said online and like to put them in like a timeout. So I literally were going around and we were meeting with high school or like high schools and saying like we're thinking about building something for children that like so instead of going to prison because you sent a mean tweet or a mean snap like what if you just couldn't like travel for the football team? you know what I mean like what if like your teachers check the database to see like how you're behaving online was it like naive going back like sure like I did but the idea that the feedback that we were getting from principles was like first try on adults because like if this goes awry like to do this for children is like not going to be a great idea So I started Kickstarter saying that I'm raising money for this project to help combat online bullying. It was like a project that was so from the heart. It was just like trying to rectify the wrongs that I felt were done for these kids that agressed me in high school. And instead I end up in the middle of a firestorm again. It's unbelievable. I was like, God really, gamer gate scandal. Do you know about this? You spoke into my love. I knew nothing about it. I wasn't a gamer, I wasn't a line, I wasn't politics, nothing about it. But I put this Kickstarter up saying, what we're doing is figuratively lifting the masks off of trolls. And the internet lost its mind. It lost its mind. And a girl named Zoe Quinn, who was patient one of the gamer gate scandal, calls me. And at this point, she was working for Twitter as the official anti-harassner on Twitter. And she basically threatens me and tells me to kill the project. And I had no idea at the bread and butter of the gamer gate scandal.

She called me on the phone. She contacted me of a Twitter.

She lit first she started off with, like, I'm the girl that was the victim of Gamergate. Instantly to me, it was off. People don't wear a victim like a badge. Like, I knew this because I had gone through this in high school and she was like, I'm telling you I need to kill your project immediately because there are people, you know, there are that harassed me and they will harass you if they find out about it. I'm trying to save you. Like, you know, and I was kind of like, you know, I appreciate that and I'm like, no, thank you. And then she got like, You know, increase any like you have to kill this project and then she started crying was like very bizarre phone call.

We never had built a technology. We never like what we were saying like what we were going to literally do was archive.

Facebook messages. Okay.

Yeah, an archive.

Because my Kickstarter said, I guess I said a word that made them think that we were going to be able to unmask Twitter trolls. Like a totally something that we had never even thought of that literally like that we were going to be able to like build the technology.

And now I'm going to be like that's Joe Rogan. Right. Yeah, right. No, like we did not build this. It was like crazy. Like we literally had my deal.

I know I actually'm not opposed to that, but we weren't building it.

You know the bread and butter the gamer gates scandal is that people say she harassed herself. Okay, I didn't know this. I just hung up the phone with her. Yeah, I hung up the phone with her and she was like if if you go through with this project or this were her last words, you're gonna ruin everything crying and hangs up the phone. I was like, why don't we like

This is the gamer game.

And the left media helped her and launched like a thousand charities. Like all of these girls harass themselves. This is like literally why my own.

Yes. And the whole she was the first person that this like started with and everyone of these gamers, like mind you, I'm not a gamer. I'm just telling you the two sides that I walked into. I didn't know. So I hung up a phone with her and I sent a tweet that was like, don't know who Zoe Quinn is. I can tell you the scroll has never been harassed. and the world breaks.

I agree. I'm just saying that her in particular.

100 I do it. I know I'm telling you victims don't wait like you would never like be like I'm the victim of like it's it's something that you do do that now. You're here. You're the story. So I hang out the phone with her. I tweet this right within One hour we start getting inundated just like she said she said if you don't kill the project mean Trump supporters are gonna come after you and start harassing you like literally like we're getting like inundated with emails that say like Bob at Trump 45.com and they're like die and we're die like if you go through like we're gonna kill like just like the most like I was like well, this is kind of perfect right like you warn me and then it happens like within an hour we had no messages nothing and then all of a sudden I was full on like and I was like no, no, no Sweetheart, you did this. Like you orchestrated this and she had been accused of doing this like five times. Like it wasn't like my low and bright part. We're just covering all of the instances that people have accused her of like she calls them and then they get harassed. She calls them and then they get harassed. And I didn't give a, I had no horse in the race. I don't care about, you know, gamers, respectively. I don't game, right? I didn't care about politics. You know, respectively at that time, it wasn't politics. I just had a phone call with a girl. It was a little weird phone call. And then suddenly I was getting indated with emails and I was literally like fully doing this degree on anything and I was going to really try to build this high school like this thing to help kids. Everyone says you dox miners like literally like we were building this platform so that children would never have to be like getting serious trouble for doing stupid stuff like the technology ever. How did she get your contact? She messaged me. I gave a to her. She messaged me on Twitter. Like she was like burnt witch or something to you and I I like it literally her her hand was burnt rich and like at that time I wasn't even like on Twitter like I had just made up Twitter profile and I see someone that has a check mark and it says like official whatever handle of Twitter. So what seems more official than like a check mark and so I was like here's my number call me with love a chat like you know

I mean, who wants a partner with me? Because I'm like, oh, this girl's been harassed on the internet. Like, maybe she'll want to help kids. Like, you know, like, Alice in Wonderland. Like, it totally, like, insane. Alice in Wonderland. And then, like, all of a sudden, there's like a shot of a cat who's, like, smoking.

That was my like I was like, oh, how can we? We've been on Kickstarter for three days. No one has harassed us. You call me and tell me, kill the project or I'm going to get harassed. I hang up the phone with you and now we're later. We're getting inundated with harassment.

Well, she said she didn't say Trump supporters. All of their addresses happen to be like at, you know, like Trump 45 at GM, like whatever it was like they would actually have like weird porn handles. Like I don't know, like weird handles, you know, I still have them. I had to pull it up.

Yeah, and that's what she said. Like when the gamer gate people like these, these anonymous men who were harassed people, the people that harassed me, when they see what you're working on, they're going to freak out. You can't do it. They've ruined my lives. You know, she's, and then she started saying, you're going to get doxed. They're going to find out where your parent lives. And like literally after that, someone set me like a map and they had doxed my family, like my grandmother's, like where she lives, my grandfather, like it was just like, What she said was going to happen to me after you contacting her so you think that she did I know she did it like I've said this thousand times and then the second I said it all of a sudden the New York Magazine in Washington Post tried to smear me instantly Incidentally, at that time I thought it was impossible to you wrong. No, it's it's not it's implausible with the time frame of getting no nobody messaging me right to her calling me all of this funding in and then the New York Magazine I was a girl on Kickstarter why the hell is the Washington Post calling me after I tweet this girl harassed herself the Washington Post New York Magazine the usual suspects right like the like now the usual so I say that's how I was like oh great the Washington Post I was totally an idiot. You know, we're rushing to say, like, oh, Candace got confused. It's been a long time, internet conspiracy. That's how he quits her raster self and Candace got sucked in. I'm like, I don't even know what gamer gate is. I don't know who, I don't even know what this article's about.

They were just said. That girl never been harassed. Got instinct. Got instinct. One instinct. And I got in the middle of a cultural war. And people were like, get in touch with Neuro. because Nero was miling in opposite the table. I was like, you know, like you just like landed and then people that I thought were white nationalists, which was like bright part, was the only publication that was like just telling the truth that was happening. Like just saying like this girl don't talk against her. Like she's no like pulling no leg in this race to non-political. And like this is what she says happened. So it was just a bizarre situation. But it changed my life because the people that I would have thought in that moment would have come after me. and said awful things about me or said, like, were the people that were very kind? Like, you know, at that time, I would have said I was a liberal. You know, I would have said, like, you know, I supported Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, you know, whatever it was, you know, I wasn't politically active. And people that were like reaching down and just being kind were like Mike Sernovich, who, if I googled his name, said it was, he was like a white supremacist. So it just was like a weird thing, like my whole life just went, like I was like, okay, so one interaction that's all it took it's yeah and a subsequent firestorm is there ever been any proof at all that she's done what you think she did just a bunch of people saying the same thing that had nothing with one other in different situations and the media refusing to to

She never responds like I've said it out of thousand things like she harassed or like she never responds and I stick by that. I'll never appear from that and but I always say that was that was my moment like this this project that I had never even built out that changed everything. I stopped the project and I, you know, subsequently just wanted to learn. Like, I just, like, is it possible that I got to 26 years old and have everything wrong about people that I thought, you know, I was just believing in the background, you know, that anybody that's the answer.

Well, I wasn't, it wasn't even switching. I wasn't politically active. I just like if you had asked me, I would have said I was, you know what I'm saying? Like I was never, I was never a girl like wearing a pussy hat outside. Like that's the thing I people understand. If it was just, no God. If press, I now that I, if you think of like where I'm at now and talking about how I hate labels, I was probably already a conservative, but I didn't give a shit about politics. I had a hundred thousand students loan debt. And I was just trying to pay back. That's it. That was my whole life. There was nothing about politics. But at that moment, it made me, it was forced to me to consider my political affiliations because I had me saying this, I'm saying like you know the New York magazine like tried to smear me. I say the Washington Post tried to smear me at the exact same time Donald Trump is getting on a stage and he's saying they're fake news. It was just this divine moment. How would they try to smear you? So they called me pretend to be my friend like I just want to know what happened like I told Mr. Ray, I gave him messages of Zoe, the timestamps, the hate vibe, and receiving, and then the articles that they wrote were like, do I just have a conversation with you on the phone? Like, insane stuff. Like, I mean, like, you know, the Washington Post actually, because I caught them in a lie. I recorded the conversation, and the email of what she wrote didn't match. They pulled the article. I said, if you run this article, I will sue you guys for libel, and the manager pulled the article. He was like, you're not even relevant. You're not even important. We don't even have to run this article. They were trying to make it seem that I had like they were trying to figure out who was funding so like social autopsy. That was what that was the met like what the journalists were trying to figure out for whatever reason. Like who's helping you? So when I refuse to say names, I just got that weird gut feeling on the phone like I'm like, why are you I'm telling you, this girl's been harassing herself. Why are you trying to figure out where I'm getting money from? And when I refused to answer, the girl was going to lied and tried to say that I had said certain names that she was just trying to get other anti-bullying organizations. come out and say I was lier like say I was working with them but I had never said any names are on the phone and Somebody gave me a tip like one of the inside I'm not going to say the name of them they gave me a tip and said that you know they called and you know did you tell them this and I was like no I was like I literally had the recording and they were like you need to layer up like the Washington Post is trying to smear you if because he just what was it that they said that you hadn't said They were trying to say that they were basically going to try to get a really reputable anti-bullying company to issue a strong statement against me calling me a liar. But this company, because I have been in touch with them, because I have been on the phone with them, had a sense that it just wasn't like they didn't feel good about the reporter either. They gave me a heads up. I actually recorded the conversation with the Washington Post.

They were going to print that, like, I said that this company, you know, was supporting me and they reached out to that company and that company denied it. But I had never said that. They was just the way to say that I was a liar. But I never said that. But you get what I was saying. I'm a poor conversation. I was like, my instinct was just like record the conversation.

Yeah. So imagine, like, you go through that and then Donald Trump gets on a stage and he's like, Washington Post is fake news. Jeff Bezos is fake. Like, it was just like this.

I love that one click. I know. It's just amazing. I know. It's I shouldn't. I shouldn't.

I know. Bam. I hear there's another company coming out and I'm.

He's got us all. I know.

I know. I know. I do too. I can't even do that. I know. It shows it's there. When you get home, it's there. It's home too.

He bought it. He bought it. It's like it's his personal diary now.

Of course. Have you seen the stuff that they were publishing now? I don't show.

I can't take any of the articles here. So this stuff that they've run and that they've said, it's just like, like what else? It's just everything, not everything. Like the stuff that they've read, like the Washington Post, like what was the last good article? Let me ask you, what was the last, that you thought this was a fair and balanced reporting job by Washington Post? They don't hate Trump. They just want to report the news.

What's the number one article on the top of the app today? Right now. That would be an interesting question. What do you think? Let's guess. Let's guess. I'm going to go ahead and put that out there. Okay. I think it's Rosanne. No. She's not number one. But it could be Rosanne because it correlates to Trump.

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It's insane.

Oh, I don't know. That's a good question.

They've said like that shit's crazy. That's what I'm saying. They would lose their minds. Imagine. Imagine. People that get the worst are black conservatives. Like we get the things that people say to us and what's bizarre now is like white liberals. Like they just feel comfortable. So I'm like, why do like this? It's like so weird. They'll write and they'll say anything to me.

That's what I'm saying to you like if you read when you read what how they're going to interpret it. Well, she was there. It's always going to be positive, but they're not just not going to get fired.

And not going to start now because there's double standard.

I just wish that there was just a little more humanity. And I'm not saying that it's just like, I really fundamentally strongly dislike something about the outrage culture and the willingness to, like, forgo the fact that she's a human being and human, like, there's something about people that they believe that human beings are perfectable. like, and that. It's acceptable. Yeah. And I think that this is something a left has sold. The idea that's perfect, but that you can like defeat racism with the right person in office, that you can like, you know, defeat sexism, you know, that you can defeat massaging. And this is not possible. You can't defeat these things. Bad things happen because human beings are constantly learning. We're flawed. But don't you think that?

To me, it does to me.

It's a great, right? Right. I wonder if it's terrible. It can't be depleted.

No, proper questions, but then you're operating from a fear. That doesn't mean that you're not racist because you're afraid to say it.

No. Human beings, especially when they're in, and I've learned this all the time when they're in the spot where they're fundamentally unhappy, it's very easy for them to, you know, lash out. And so if you find someone who's just miserable, Right. Doesn't, you know, have, I don't know, the career of the girl, whatever it is, that person is much more likely to say something that's vitriolic and that's just, that's the human condition. Like you're not happy. So you lash out at someone else.

Oh my gosh, he's no question past America's.

Like 100% in terms of like the social progress that we've made, especially in America.

That's a very good question. So if you're talking about just America,

Yeah, and they've said that they're going to go away. Yeah. That's why I say, like, racism never go away. Because they change it up because then they'll say Americans are racist towards Muslims, right? When you say that you're going to do the Muslim, the Muslim ban from certain countries and that's also considered like racism and not just like, you know, national security. So everything sort of becomes racism. So that problem with racism is nobody knows it means anymore. Well, everything's racist. You could, you could, the Starbucks situation which to me was not racist was racist. Does that racism?

No. I don't know. That was racist. I love it. I live in Philadelphia.

I'm lucky. Let's play in the picture. So first off, I live in Philadelphia. I'm not kidding. I wonder if sometimes when I'm there, I'm like, I wonder if any white people live here. Like, like, Philadelphia is like, it's 44% black. Excluding Hispanic 44% black. It's unbelievable. Everyone who works in my build. Everyone's black. It's like the weirdest thing. I'm like, this is a very black city, right? The bizarre city to be racist, outright racist in like you're dealing with black people all day. So you you remove that and then you think to me and I've seen this happen tons of times. Is it possible? Right? That this guy was just on like a power chip sap and I've seen it happen at the most bizarre places and I'm like, all right, like the airport the other day. Like this woman gave me absolute hell at T.S. I mean, it was like I came and recovered. It was just absolute hell. I could have walked away and said she was racist and she randomly selected my bag 22 times to go through and made me go through and miss my flight, right? or she was having a bad day and she was power tripping. And when people have these little positions, it's like that movie where they go door, man. And they have these little positions, like the manager of Starbucks and you're having an off day. And these two kids that could have easily said, I'll buy a cookie. Common decency, by the way, even for me, if I go use a bathroom at Starbucks, I'll just fricking buy a cookie or a little juice box or a water. Just something that makes me feel, all right, it's a little more civilized if I just buy something, even though I'm just here to use the bathroom. So I'm both nice.

you go and then I I'll probably speak to the bathroom and then buy something afterwards.

I know it's a shower in the toilet. It's because of our age culture. It's an average culture to say like my cousin who's half Mexican and black had to go through this training and she works for Starbucks. So it's like It's to me it's just insane. It's like, is it possible that this guy was power tripping these kids were being like, you know, they could have just bought something and it could have been resolved. But you have two people that are being stubborn and taking it to as far as possible. You know, talk about like call monitor. Like, you know, these are the rules and it just got too far.

Yeah, I think it's just a guard.

How long were they sitting there again? The four could you remind me?

Yeah, but how long were they sitting there for?

Right, so I'm just like, if you were sitting there, I feel it, no, I don't know. I've never called the cops in Philly, but I do know that like Philly, it's just a very, it's a very black city. Yeah, it's a very black city. Yeah, it's a very black city. You know, I was there with Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson, yeah, you know, I opened for them and it's just, it's a way to stand up when you don't stand up. I should do stand up. I'd be good at it.

I'll get you up. I'll do it. Oh, we know I can't because I have a I'm going to Wyoming right after this.

I would be really funny though. I'm like randomly really funny. Randomly.

No, I would be really good. Like I didn't really good voices like really good. Like I'm funny.

But it's hard. It's hard. Yeah, because they get nervous. Yeah. I could see that. It's could be just like I'm not funny anymore. It seems. I probably would be like a drinker if I was on stage. I feel like I would be like that like stereotypical comedian that just gets completely sloshed and goes out.

Yeah, I think it's a really hard thing to try it to be funny in front of like a sold-out room.

I see I think it's just as. I think it's just as. Yeah, it's just as.

It's here we are. It's got to be racist. It's like, yes, the the chances. I'm just telling you, like, so a lot of black people that come. I work from the Starbucks and writing a book. I work from Starbucks all over Philadelphia. That's like what I do, right? And it's just, there's, I don't know if there's any white people in Philadelphia.

Yeah, where, where, where area of town were you in? Wasn't the tower theater? That's where we were. Yeah, it's a lot of, inside your thing, but they probably commuted.

Yeah, it's all black people. True. Yeah. So it's a bizarre place. Thank you. Yeah. It's rough. It's really rough. And after people don't understand, I'm like, dude, like, it's a weird place to come to if your racist. It's just a way. It's like really hard to be racist and filled up because everyone's black. Like it's like,

It's so volatile.

Black, this is the thing. It's been so funny because so much of what I do is inspired by this. It's just like people like this. I guess presentation of Black people in the media. It actually gets me mad because to me and I could be biased. I think black people are like the most like funny like we're so funny. So endearing like when I'm around my cousins like I do there's not a better time that I can have when I'm around my family. We're not easily offended, right? We're constantly making funny. We're making fun of other people like there's no one meaner black people are portrayed. like victims like everything upsets us like we're just we feel so oppressed and I'm like this is not like the the black community that I grew up in in my family and it's also not the the black community that's like who we celebrate like I was watching was it Chris rocks stand up bigger and blacker I watched that like from nineteen ninety four classic like it is like the stuff that he said he could never say today Just like, like, like, like, like, because that, that is black culture. He went there on every single race, every single culture made fun of everybody. And it was beautiful. It was perfection. It was a sold out Apollo theater. He comes out in the first thing he says is like, ratio is like, oh, white people in the back today. You know what I mean? Everyone gets up and starts cheering and then starts making fun of Blackhill about things that we need to fix, right? He's using like it's he's being funny, but he's also saying stuff that's real talking about that baby mama culture and the difference between like the white community starts talking about school shootings and it just like maybe it was Columbine that just happened and he starts talking about that and nobody was sensitive nobody nobody nobody in the audience was going the end already

Right.

I know. It's insane. It's bizarre that people blame them.

But the slope is incredibly slippery for that. It is slippery. It's like it's something you can't define. Like it's, it's too mental illness. Right. Yeah. It's too slippery. What do you, what does that mean? Does that mean if you go to one therapy session? It's so slippery. I don't like it. It's a dangerous way to go down.

I'm against it because you shouldn't be able to go get your limbs blown off overseas if you can't come back and defend your home. Totally against it.

I think that's so bizarre to me is that we're sitting here and we're talking about the age. Like, as if guns were just created, like, you know, when in reality, right, but something's wrong, but what's wrong? It's not the guns. I'm asking you, what do you think is wrong? Mental health. Right. So I say, I agree with you, but I think it's the duration of culture altogether. They used to be taught the Bible in school. People make fun of that now. We've got this culture where you're making fun of kids. Religion is so far away from religion. That's weird to us. Teaching religion is like, you've got a scarlet letter. If you come in, it's a holy Christian kid and a normal public. Public education thing you've got the family structure where it's like these kids are running the house these days like I look on like Facebook and it's like supposed to be funny when like a four-year-old is acting like Cardi B. I'm like, okay. Yes, it's funny cuz she's four, but it's also like not funny cuz she's four, right?

Who's a little Tay?

I love Cardi, you know who Lil Tay is.

Yeah, yeah, that's my point. Like this is considered like funny. It's like entertaining like the fact that and and we're okay with that. And so parents are pushing their kids to be more outrageous because there's a way that they can make it.

It's like forever. It's not over yet. It's not over yet.

It's just like the cash from me outside. Go. Right. Yeah. So we don't talk about any of that. We don't talk about the fact that that we no longer focus on family, no longer focus on religion doesn't need to be, doesn't mean to be that everyone needs to be religious, but there's structure in religion, right? There's structure in me when I grew up in my grandpa used to make us read the Bible around the table. There was some structure to that in lessons and prayers that, and then there's this. NAS, the Facebook, the snap, the snapping, the Instagram, the Twitter. It's like, we've changed the world and expected children to stay in the same of it and nobody talks about it. So instead they say it's the guns fault. We need to be strict or gun legislation, but the entire world has shifted. We're not talking about those changes. The dynamic of the world that has shifted. So I just hold a different position. You know, I think it starts with family. It starts with structure. I think we need religion back. I think that that is a stop being a dirty world. It's a stopping mocked roundly by the media. Like it shouldn't be funny. You know, when Joy Bayhart says something about Jesus and the whole audience, giggles.

Yeah, because he talks to Jesus. That's the people how weird that is, right? Like how weird that the stuff that we used to would be normal, like, you know, praying, talking, would you just like, when I grew up, that was like my grandparents generation. That was everyone was religious. And now we're so far away from that, right? That that that that seems like like it's okay to mock and we roundly mock it all the time. So the structure in the home is, in my opinion, the most important thing that needs to change. In fact, that's when people are growing up without fathers in the home is something that needs to change. Letting your kid have a Facebook account when they're seven, right? Like, just too much. It's the information age, but what information are they downloading?

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Yeah, I didn't watch her series.

It's like so crazy. I know nothing about it besides Tom Cruise.

So how do you decide? It's not about deciding issues that there's something that comes from, I think, just learning certain lessons. It doesn't need to be to Emma saying like we all need to live structure. From structure, like the Bible used to be taught in school. Objectively, they would be taught by people that, you know, we're not practicing Christians, right? Used to be taught in school objectively because there's still lessons that are timeless in these Bible stories. There's nothing to do with whether or not you don't need to then say oh, then we go to church and then we pray in school and all that stuff. You can almost extract that and try to teach these lessons objectively, but what kids are learning now was like how to be an anarchist. like you know feminism 101 and every it's you're like actually fostering an angry culture by telling them every turn of they should be outraged we are in outraged culture and then you're your surprise when somebody does something outrageous

It's, it's a little bizarre to me. It's like, everything should get you up. Everything should make you angry. Everything should make you upset. Everything is unjust. Everything is oppressed. Um, and I don't know why this kid just shot up a school. Obviously, so angry. Like, it's like, if we're weird, it's like, we're weirdly fake. And no one wants to have the conversation. The shooting happens and everyone wants to talk about the on array. And then David Hogg is back on the news.

Well, I actually had this debate with Charlie and I did a panel down in DC and we were talking about whether like the reintroduction of God and teaching him to school. And I said like at some point there seems to be this struggle. I have this idea that like human beings in a certain way were doomed to just keep repeating history. I'm obsessed with Greek mythology. I'm obsessed with like Egyptian history, hyperglyphic like anything that like where they tell stories especially Greek mythology because the lessons are there and we just keep doing it, right? Greed lust, like the things that human beings fall for, right? So I had this idea when we were talking because Charlie is an evangelical Christian, I'm not, right?

Yes. Really? Yes, he's an amateur.

I mean, you haven't really gotten into a thing, was I'm not the person that should ever be debating our talk about religions, not my like, stick, I guess. But so what I said to him, because me and both believe that in many ways, the reason that the government has, the media has started around the dissing God, right? And dissing, she's just Christ is because the government wants to be God. Right.

Not orders. That's wrong. So it's directive. No, no, but Andrew, Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, right? So, and you can argue that they feed into each other, whatever it is, but there's definitely something between culture and politics that is linked and extraordinarily linked. So, when everyone's on the same page, if the government wants to get bigger, which it has been doing, wants people to look to them for answers, which it has been doing, you have to understand they have to sort of destroy everything else that they would potentially be looking to for answers. Right? So instead of when you're down and out, and people would just go to church and pray, right? Or believing in your family or the family structure, they need to know that no matter what you think the government is the answer. That is what a leftist at the end of the day. The left believes that the government can fix all of their problems. And I find, especially when I specialize at this day, do not believe in religion. There's just a thing. It's a trend I've noticed. I'm not religious. I'm not saying that there's something wrong with it, but leftists tend to be a really apart from religion. So you could make the argument definitely be made that the destruction of believing in the Bible, of stopping teaching the Bible is because you want to make it so that every time you have a problem, because you're still going to our soul, we're still going to believe in something. We're naturally beings that we need to believe at something and fix something. I really believe that. It's the reason why we go get our palms red, right? Like we just like there's there's something, somebody has the answer. And people are starting to believe it's government in America. Well, and it freaks me out.

And I agree with you. That's my part of the Charlie because then he said, you know, government, the government now we have to go back to religion. And then I said, okay, but Charlie, but then we could actually recreate all the terrible stuff that happened with religion when religion became daddy. So we might just be going government religion government.

Exactly. And that's what I believe. Yeah. So I think that we could say that, yeah, we need to start re-inducing these things, but then we could just end up with the extreme again where there's massive corruption in the church, not everyone's place in the church. So then I just said, wow, we're just doomed.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it repeats itself fully like we like all of the signs there. I'm like we could literally just read this all in a Bible. We could read the song Greek mythology and we know what happens like it's like It's our humanity, and but there's is it fixable? No, that's why people think that is a society perfectable. Well, it's not perfect. Well, there's going to be greed. There's going to be loss. There's going to be, but now we're in this culture where it's like, he cheated on his wife.

We're medicating. That's nothing. No, I want to talk about over medicating children. Like when I was a kid, the six shows bouncing off the walls. We just said you were hyper today. It's like give him a draw. Yeah, not like what is really good. I literally like I speak with a kid and like the mom would give them a roll. He was six years old. I was like, I don't know what's wrong with him. I'm like, I might be a kid, you know, and that's another conversation. He's got energy.

Yeah, but you don't medicate them. And it's bizarre. And then they say, oh, well, you know, something's wrong with him. He's in school and he's not, you know, performing as well. He's not paying attention. Maybe he's just not interested.

Maybe he'd rather be outside.

Right. Or it's too much a thing to do with that. Maybe you want them to pay attention, but assume that there's something wrong with them if they don't is what's crazy to me. They assume there's something wrong with their child. And that they need medicine because they're not paying attention to math problems on the board for an hour. That's what scary me. It's like kids are just out of touch.

I totally agree with you like I am like so anti and you see that like there's this like famous Kanye quote where he says like when you see a five year old they have so much energy but there's they have so much confidence and so much passion and everything that they do like they think they can be anything or if they can be a dancer or singer they'll try to do flips And then go find an 11-year-old after they've been socialized in school. They're like, that spark just dies in them. And it's because they're literally being put through a system that tells them that they can't. Well, this girl got a 90-other test and you got an 80. So something must be, you know, you're not getting this, right? Well, maybe math is just not her thing, right? Maybe she does. She's not as good at math as somebody else. I think everybody has their own pieces of brilliant and that the current education system does not foster. to those individualism. They're actually trying to create a collective society by being able to measure a kid's brilliance by standardized testing. Something showing I very much agreed to this.

Yeah, I was so bored. I was so close to those personalities.

Yeah, I'm just like what am I and I always felt like like they were stupid. Like you know, I'm like, is this teacher even like smarter than like can we take a test like I can just like a quick IQ test to see if I should even have to take a class from someone who's actually dumber than me. And we're having those thoughts like in high school just being like you see just aren't even smart sometimes like they're

Two years ago.

It's like, oh, it's a little bit of jealousy, but I'm like, I'm like sure. This is, but this is like, I believe in this so much that I wish we could stop that because like, I'm like, no, let's change the paradigm. Like, let's get Trump to do the, like, the Joe Rogan show as opposed to saying, you know what I mean? Like, there's, but people don't see things that the way to all about me, me, me, the ego comes out, you know? So, but anyways, so I met Charlie, that was a huge thing that happened. I was speaking at the David Harwoods Freedom Center book, Charlie's 24, you could ask why he's flying around the first family, too, but he, when you meet on me, you understand. He's just absolutely brilliant. And we just wanted to do this together. I met him and I said, look, I think that there needs to be a black revolution against the Democratic Party. I think I'm the person to lead it, like I'm your girl. And I was speaking on a panel with Dave Rubin about why I left the left and what I understood about the left and he hired me on the spot and the rest is sort of history. You know, I mean, that's really it. I worked. I work my ass off. The one in that.

Charlie Clark, he actually runs turning point USA. I know he's like so young. It's insane and you should look him up and figure out who he is because he's in my opinion he's going to be a future president of the United States and everyone says that. Everyone who every show he's been on in Fox has like very rarely do you meet like Rush Limbaugh just said very rarely do you meet someone and think that's going to be a president of the United States. Charlie Clark will be a president.

I don't know. He said it's so many times.

But yeah, he's clean now.

I don't even know that he was not clean.

I won't even take childhood. I don't even like, I'm just like, you know who told me that by the way.

Right. I have no idea.

We could be never lies. Look up mine. Exactly.

But yeah, so I just, I just, I've worked incredibly hard. I feel like I haven't slept since last year. I, I'm traveling every day.

But I'm not, and that's probably a little bit. People ask me, like they're like, can't, what are you like, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'm not a, I'm just a girl who talks about stuff that I believe in. And people view me as a politician. I don't know.

What about me seems like a poll? This is why I don't get.

But I just said to you, yeah, I told you, I told you, I told this Charlie Crocker November. I'm like, this is what I want to do. This is my plan. So I'm just a person that's going after my goal. And then as I start accomplishing it, people are just throwing shade and hate.

Like, okay, so we'll first off, like, let's not pretend. Like, we can talk about social justice lawyers on the left. We have them on the right, too. Let's not pretend we don't have the people that like, They they can't like as soon as I got to 100,000 YouTube followers every YouTube or suddenly was like who is this deep dive? And then they came with the like she was she yeah, she she she she she created so short that she she wanted to dox my like the most bizarre I have YouTubers are looking up like how she ever did a black guy like the most absurd I'm like what are you guys doing like can we just all like just peacefully co-existed I think Game of Conservatives do do do do do do do do

I know I'm like what is the article going to be the same boyfriend from high school and he happened to be white. Yeah, it would be a big probably an article. That's for sure 100%. But they just start like digging in and I'm just like guys. I'm just working hard and if you want to know what my strategy is, I don't make videos about you guys.

I have a brand that defined my brand. Your brand is just going after people and that's not that's not a brand at all.

It was like banana, what's it banana girl or something? There's a few of them. Or freely or something. I heard about it, but I didn't see fucking crazy. I call YouTube like YouTube high. Like it's like, and I was like the new girl who shut up. Yeah, but they're like 40. Oh, no, no, that's what's weird. I was like the new girl who shut up and like, like, you know, it was a cheerleader.

Yeah, and they were like, no. No, no, no, no. He was hate me. They hate me. I'm like, but I was like, I don't want to be a YouTuber. I just plugged my content on YouTube. That's even worse. And then then I really hate me. Yeah. Yeah, it's, that's bizarre. That's just like totally weird, but it's fine because I never run to them because like they're like, they don't have like, there's no brand here. They don't go outside. I really don't think they go outside, but there's no brand if you don't.

Yeah. Okay, that's one great bizarre YouTube there's YouTube high then you have what I call Game of Conservatives. They're all like racing for the throne and I feel like I'm like guys like there's like white walkers at the wall like you know, they let this trying to like termism to comics America can we not compete for like the egos that's like I genuinely believe that, like, right now is the only time that we have to save this country. I genuinely believe that, like, we're at the, like, if I think if Donald Trump did not win the election, we would have lost America. I genuinely believe it. They hit Hillary, the globalist initiative, just this like, they were like communists. To me, I really believe that this is an opportunity to sort of like, we're like the last stand for Western civilization. Look what's going on in Europe. It's like insane. And people don't understand that. I'm like, what is going on in Europe right now? It's like Europe's done. Like did you do to watch the previous video like Europe has committed suicide or whatever it was called?

Oh, I, I think he did a Prager U video on that, too.

Yeah, it's real. Like they lost Europe and the last stand for Western civilization is America and then you have people that are competing for egos on my guys, not like there's white walkers at the point.

I really feel that. Like just in, in every regard, in terms of just the people that were running, like Hillary Clinton, like this woman was a globalist, like just think about who we were, who we were in bed with, like Saudi Arabia, selling all of our uranium to Russia, like Trump came in and was like, no, like America. People, we were, the gap, like we lost them, we're losing the middle class, the gap between the rich and the poor, was like, What do you think's causing that? Policies shipping all of our jobs overseas. The regulation the government getting bigger and bigger you can't do anything as an entrepreneur in America without a piece of paper from the government discouraging people with a piece of paper sending like shutting down the factories from getting that there's something you know there's a little land between New York and LA, believe it or not. Like, you know, and this is what Trump understood. We were losing that and and Trump appealed to that. Those people, I'm still floored like as I'm traveling the world and seeing different pieces of the country, I'm learning how ignorant I was. Like, and that's the the best thing in the entire world. Just I fell victim to the idea that like it was progress. It was progress. It was progress. We have to care about the environment. It was progress. And it's like, no, like we've been losing. America has been losing. And Donald Trump understood that in a way that I didn't end.

No, okay. Let me clarify this. I don't throw trash on the ground. Like I'm not saying like we need to like, you know, trash the environment. Like, um, but do I believe in climate change? No.

Well, I think the climate always changes. I guess, as well, actually, do I believe that this is like, you know, an issue that is being, that is, global warming, which they've changed, completely, they got rid of the worry one sign to start disproving it, now they only say climate change. Now, I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans. I don't, I don't, I don't, I'll believe they had no actionable plan. It was great for Trump to get out of that deal. It was terrible.

It's just not this wouldn't be the hell I died on, right? But it's not a fun part. I just genuinely I've read a ton about it, but I would not be able to I would not be able to come to you and say like, This is my strong opinion, but here's like the easiest way to say this, right? The fact that there is a disparity in the science community about whether or not it's real is enough to... It's very little, very little disparity.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Well, I think if something is, it's either subjective or it's objective. And they're objective truths, right? But it's subjective if you're saying that there are some, I don't think there's very little. There are some that don't get paid to go on TV. Then some that are not Bill Nye, who are not funded scientists. And that has been a hold. Well, Bill Nye's not a scientist.

But that's the that's the point.

I don't think I'm going to sign to this.

There's never PhDs. I learned about him as well. Everything I'm science how to do it.

Yeah, dot com though. That means it's making money. I don't trust that. If it was a dot org, I would probably take that, but this is just a random website.

Yeah, I don't, I don't believe this like at all. Just so you know.

I genuinely don't believe I know you do but I genuinely don't believe it.

But do you remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they tried to present their evidence to show like they were basically just getting shut down at every corner? You can pull that up too, like scientists who look up, I guess, look up the opposite, right? Instead of looking for what you're not looking for.

Sorry. Yeah, look up.

But you just said. It's extremely complicated subject. And I said, I am not so sure that I would die on the hill for it. My opinion right now is just that it was a means because forget the fact of whether you believe global warming is real. Let's say it's 100% real. Let's say we know the fact of real. Is there a way?

Well, but it's always happened. Yes, it has always happened. So what what do we what is the climate change? Yes, the climate changes. It was different weather yesterday than it was today. The climate is forever changing like that. That's the problem is that people are making it seem like that's something weird.

I'll go or might have made some money on it, but the agreement that we were in, they were, that was like the amount of money that America was losing, but here's what I was going to ask you. So let's just look at the amount of money America was losing, who was in the Paris Agreement, because this is the reason why we want to get out of the Paris Agreement, but that's why I want to get to. So let's say we're all agreed that global warming is real. I don't believe it's real, okay? So I can't, but I can't.

Right. So it's not a belief in it. I don't believe in it. But that's not a belief.

Right. I know I personally think that this was just the next the fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore and it's just

And he flies in his private plane because he's so worried about the emissions. OK. That is hilarious. This is something hilarious about that.

Right. And that's what worries me. So my question is, let's say that it's real. OK. Let's just assume, like, that's the best way to how to deal. Let's say it's real. Let's say it's real. Let's say it's real. 100% real. OK. Do you feel that you have found in your research that there is something that human beings can do that would change this all around?

Yeah, there's a lot of it. Yeah, we'll put us plastic just can't like over time. But that's what I mean. Like so when I say that I'm like and like I believe in recycling like I'm not like a person that's like this is all but the idea that the government is just going to take a trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that we should do something is is useless and and look from the stuff like there's obviously a lot of debate here and as I said like I'm not so at the one thing you always find with me is I'll never pretend to be so educated on something like I'm not going on a college campus is talking about global warming and I'll do that. Right, but why are you saying that? I just, I just, I don't know, maybe because it got because maybe because it got so politicized.

Who do they are who do who are they? Pulling. Is it the people that are part of this? That's just numbers can

Right. No, but that's what I said. That's what you're saying. You don't believe it. I don't believe it. Yeah. I would have to have someone sit down and convince me that it was real. I personally don't believe it. That's okay. It's good to start at a place that's not believing something.

You think you should start with believing everything.

But that's exactly what an opinion is. I'm not going like I said, if you said that, Kenneth, you went on to 10,000 college campuses and you said that global war wasn't real, then we'd have a problem. You and I just had a conversation.

I don't I just my recall on a lot of things that I read and this was a while ago, so this is where I when I first formed my opinion I'm not believing this I read it a shit ton of articles Can't recall the data because like I said this was something I was super passionate about it was like somebody posted something and then I went on like a tear reading about it But it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies, like when you go and you, if we had time to down and really pull this up, they're pulling, you know, 10,000 scientists that are within a community that is, like, these, that works. Do you believe in everything that media matter, media matters, that work puts out for statistics? Right? That's a political, that's a political arm of the, the Democrat party. Talk about different subjects. I know.

Yeah.

But this has been politicized. That's the thing. Science has been politicized. Yes, it has global warming in particular has been politicized. 100% has been politicized. Right. That's the whole reason I fell down this dark hole one night reading about it. And I didn't I was like, you know what?

Right. And that's fine. But I'm telling you that, again, I didn't do a deep dive on all of this because I read about it because it was at a forefront of discussion. So I read about it all night. And my conclusion was that they started pulling up all of these studies when the person that did this and I did a deep dive on. And they started showing how these community of scientists were, in fact, somewhere behind that dot org is someone that was being funded. So to me, the issue got too politicized for me to believe that global warming was something that was going to wipe out the world now.

Yeah, exactly. And if it looked if I was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if I was a person that put out my opinion publicly on climate change, I would do all of that. I'm just not.

But this is what I hate. But this is what I hate. But this is what I hate. Because anything like that is you have to have a form of opinion on every thing.

I just said that. I said that to the entire club. I said this with it. I said, yeah, I don't believe it. You asked me and I said this wouldn't be the who I chose to die on because I don't know why they say you don't believe in it. Because I just personally, if you- How about not have a belief until you- Really, if you say it. So you would prefer if my language as opposed to admitting that I do not know this. I wouldn't die unless I've never made a public statement. You would have preferred if I had just started by saying, I have no opinion.

Yeah. I mean, I think it would be the same if I said to you like, you know, do you believe in God? Right.

You would say if so it's that's this I feel like this is sort of like linguistics though.

I always say I don't know. I don't know. I'm agnostic. Most people say like I believe I believe it or I don't, right? So it's like if you say a lot of people say they don't know. Okay, I think believe is definitely where that's so shaped with God. But right. So a lot of people say that they don't know. But if you say I don't believe in God and then somebody starts saying, Oh, you need to form it. It's like I just don't know.

Right. I'm sorry that I just don't believe I don't believe in global warming. I'm happy to fall. You're allowed to believe it. Yeah.

I don't believe in it. If somebody had asked me, like at a place where I'm influencing on a college campus, what's your opinion? I would say I have none.

That is absolutely not what you just did. But you just did. There are so many instances where you could watch it. It's just like, and you can ask Dave for it. But when you ask me a question, I say, I don't have no opinion on it. About a difference. But yeah, because you and I are having a conversation one on one. I'm not sitting here to try to, I don't go on campus talking about global warming because I don't have an opinion on it. But if you press me and ask me if I believe in it, no, I don't really believe in it. But could I go deep dive and learn that perhaps I'm wrong? Sure, I personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated. As I said, during the one night that did deep dive on it, and when they showed like all the pieces of evidence or whatever, it just seemed a little shame, and I felt that it was politicized. But I think that I have a right to say that I don't believe in something, but I also don't know. And that's what I said to you. I don't believe in it, but I wouldn't die in this hill. I don't know enough about it.

Yeah.

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You're a very influential player, but I'm aware when I'm on stage, when I'm on my YouTube channel, there's no videos of can of someone talking about global warming. I'm aware of that. There is now. Okay, exactly. Now it's going to be in trouble. I can't describe it. I just, yeah, exactly. And people are going to be mad at me. It's weird because you're fooling me. Yeah, yeah. I'm fooling you. We know what's funny, though, is that like, this feels so like we're not. I mean, right now, that's like I still don't feel like we're on the internet. This is the problem. Yeah. But like, if we were if you and I were on a couch camera site, you're like, I'm not really sure. I don't know.

Yeah, I think that the real thing that people are concerned about is like just beyond any of that stuff. I don't know. I think that there's like more concerns in society. Like I personally think that some scientists started talking about global warming and it got politicized and they figured it was another way to extract human beings money because of fear. That's my opinion.

And then they said we're going to find our core scientists that agree with everything we say. It's improving that hardware studies have been incorrect because they were being funded by certain political interest groups. So I'm not inclined to pull up something. I'm blanking. It'll come back to me in a second. But there were Harvard papers that had been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out and it causes mass fear. People are willing to spend their money. It's entirely possible. It is. It's real. That's very real. People are flawed. So I'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says, look. A 10,000 scientists, I err on the side of, okay, I don't know the sign to sorry. I don't know what the first organization is funded by. So I'm going to stick by my guidance and say I don't believe in it yet. Now, if I decide that I'm going to run for office and I've got to make a decision on the atmosphere and what we're going to do about global warming and CO2 missions, you better believe I will be fully ready to discuss it. I'm not going to make a YouTube video and just know the outskirts of it. I don't do that, right? But if you and I are having a discussion, sorry, I don't believe it. I don't know what to say.

Open to learning. Open to learning. Always open to learning. I've been wrong before. I was a liberal two years ago, you know, or three years ago. So that's that's not a problem. I'm open to learning, but I'm not going to like. like say something that feels inauthentic and what I wanted to say there was I don't believe in it.

Well, no, so when I first went on Dave Rubin show, he asked me about that. And I said, I don't really know. I'm pouring my opinion on it. Just like you and I just said about global warming, I said to Dave Rubin about pro life and pro choice. And he was like, this is the first time someone has just said that, like, just said that I'm forming an opinion on it and didn't feel like they need to get an answer. And I said, I'm not a politician. Same thing I'm saying to you, like I can answer how I feel and and I'm happy to learn.

But then I wanted to get really educated on it. And I became pro-life, but not because I think people that are pro-choice are awful human beings, you know, who needed to burn and hell, but just because the history of it is really shady with Margaret Sanger. And because I do recognize that it does seem a little off-putting. I don't say like, you know, I'm pro-life, but I just say to people that like, the idea that the left is so pro choice at the same time that they are running around reporting to black lives matter doesn't make any sense when you look at the numbers of black babies never even get the chance to live and when you look at the numbers and just understanding that 17 million black babies have been exterminated since 1973. So what kind of black lives do you care about? I don't believe that babies life starts after three months. I think that that's crap. That's not into the crap anybody could probably pull up some articles that say For sure, the baby's life does not begin until there are three months, but we want to know the best indication that the baby's life begins before it, because you have to rip it out of the stomach in order to kill it. If you left alone, it would grow into a baby, right? So I've thought about that issue, and now I have a stance on it. And that would be my stance. If I was president of states, I don't want to be the president of the United States. Let me say what Trump said. If I stepped up, if my country needed me, like he said 10 years ago, I would step up when I would do the job.

I promise you I get this question all the time on the road, can't it? Do you want to be in the White House? Do you want to be in the White House? I would love if Charlie Kirk was a President of the States I would have fun being the press secretary I'd be like just let him in let the dogs in like I would just it just looks like a fun job because they're so crazy That's just like a fun job. It does because they're just so crazy and I would just like you can't find it that too. I feel like that's what I'm saying. It would be a fun job because they're so serious and like I'm like you take yourself serious. You're like Jim Acosta.

That doesn't seem remotely. Yeah, I know. I'm being a little fussy. Yeah. It seems insanely stressful.

Sarah says. She looks stressed out. Well, I think she's just trying to have a game face. She's just like, what stupid question am I going to do?

Yeah, nobody can swim forever. Yeah, but I didn't like, I didn't start this because I wanted to get into politics. I started this because I saw a dial that needed to be moved.

I listen, I'm good no matter what space I'm in, whether like when I was in private equity, I'm always good at my job. When I put my mind to something, I can do something and people will be blown away. that's always in my character and and I will do it despite people saying I can't like it that to me my whole to do this is is people telling me I can't you know like I don't like when then people try to put me in a box like I really don't like the whole idea that because you were this you can't be this like it's like I'm always going to decide what's best for me and what led you to be Republican in the first place right I'm not Republican

I'm independent. I'm independent. No, I would say I mean, right. I definitely mean right because that to me is just if you believe that people are allowed to have different opinions, you're lean right. Like literally that's what we're at right now. Like it's like you're not even allowed to have it ascending opinion.

I just think the slippery slope.

anti-global warming, you're, you're the anti-global warming thing is like, this is like something that Joe Rogan has forced on me. I genuinely like, we were getting along great. But yeah, right? Like this is, I just, I have, no reason to believe that because some scientists that could very well be funded as we they're constantly things are constantly being funded to create a public perception. I very much believe that I see that and we see this just in the case of Donald Trump through if you go pull people in the California they're going to say he's a racist sex. It's just whatever's put on the internet people believe as the truth. I like to do a deeper dive. I have not done deeper dive on global war and save that one night when I went down to our call.

I don't know if this is like still a thing, but I fully support gay marriage. And the reason is simple, regardless how people feel about gay marriage, the government has stepped in and is now doing marriage. And the idea that two individuals that I would love to should get tax cuts while the other shouldn't is It's not tentacle, just because you know, that doesn't make it so, I don't think the government should have gotten involved in marriages in the first place, but because they have, you can't sit here and decide that two gay men don't get tax cuts in a man or woman do. That's wrong from a governing perspective.

Yeah, I have cousins at our gay like it's even though despite the fact that internet like I found them anti LGBT which is insane, but I just think that since the government has has stepped up and decided it's going to be in it if it's the governing body everyone have a right to the same task. Why is the government involved? They shouldn't be. They shouldn't be. That's the real problem, but nobody talks about that. How are they involved in what way? You have to get married to the government. You get to be sent from the government. You get to recognize the government. Your tax cut, you know, you get you can check certain boxes when you do your taxes because you're married. So since the government is doing that, there's no reason why if two guys live in the same, you know, same house that they should not be allowed to get tax cuts. So the difference, it's the separation of the church in the state, right? Well, the state has taken on something that's traditionally was in the church because the state has you have to be looked at it objectively, despite your personal feelings and looking at objectively and every every person has a right to So get a tax cut because they marry the person that they love.

Is there any other right? I don't know. I don't know what I don't know what the right, but I don't even think about like, like, wing talking.

Well, yeah. So, okay. So first off the chance, just hilarious. So it's funny to just jump in it, you know. But so the number one thing, so my whole stick, the only time I snap back are going to upset is because I'm going to focus in the black community. And the community that has been affected the most by illegal immigration is the black community. It's just the fact. I mean, you talk about low wage workers, the people that are the most unemployed in this company are our young black members in the ages of 18 and 21. right so they have been negatively impacted by the influx of people running over the border because they'll come here and they'll say okay well you're going to pay this guy $7 you know whatever the minimum wage is we'll do it for less and that directly impacts the black labor force so I you know I recognize that we very much have immigration problem. I think that the immigration, you know, they talk about diversity, it's not diverse whatsoever. Half of the immigrants that we take in are from Mexico, that's making America Mexico, that's a problem. If you want to take in some more from Africa, that'd be great only only 3% come from Africa, or I think 4% last year came from Africa. It's tough for commute, right? But the truth is that the argument that is behind people that are like so pro immigration and against the wall is that it's about diversity, it's not about diversity. If it's about diversity, let's go look around the country and actually make it diverse. There are tons of people that live in Africa that work their ass off that would love to be in America. And we need to work that system out just because they have a geo-advantaged here, doesn't make it fair. So I'm not, I'm pro coming up with a solution for immigration because it's negatively impacted.

Oh, look. Let's just do it. Let's look at my slow.

even better, even better, even more better. Yeah. No, but these these are the things that. So anything like an average situation, you'll see this if you watch like Charlie and I lie on campuses when we do this. Every situation when I'm asked my opinion, my answer is Taylor towards the black community because I just think that we have really gotten the shit out of the stick.

Um, so I read locked in your head. You're locked in my head. I read, um, I make cards like to just remember certain numbers and to watch. Yeah. And I just do that.

We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump.

We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone to go against Trump. Yeah, I do not like Cory Booker. I know. Well, I can whatsoever. That's a great guy. Yeah, he could be personally, but he's probably a publicly he's representing himself, um, fictitious, in my opinion. That's just my opinion, sticking to it. Okay, so much as I ball down. No, stop. That's a talk. I talk.

No, I just, I've just, it's the language. I really don't like when people sit on a stage and go, where is some racism? It's just, it's, it's, it's to me, it's insulting to people's intelligence. Talks back to me about what's going on in black community. You don't need to scare them. Like, it's, the fear politics pisses me off. And that's what they do. Every four years, it's fear politics. Well, me guy, but for us because racism, racism, racism. It's not that's manipulating us. That's using fear to control what we do, okay? We have a right to just be presented with the facts and being allowed to make it to your own. That's that's my really perspective. That's the big thing that's been so controversial. Can a song and things that the black community should be spoken to about what's going on in their communities? They shouldn't be thrown jazzy and beyond take concerts. Allah Hillary Clinton, right? That is that really that controversial of a thought. It's it's broken the internet. I go out and I say, hey, I think that there might be a little more to the story than everybody's racist and they go, oh my god, like she can't say that. And not the first black concern you do is I don't know why I'm the most controversial that this is turned into like we already highlighted young and you're good looking and you're all. But I'm not the only good looking conservative articulate person.

They say oh, which is because like she's a blocker. I was doing with them. It's like no, it's because for the first time someone has the audacity and it's not the first time. Doc, you know, I met with Secretary Ben Carson last week. Lovely man. Lovely man. You should have him on here sometimes. Brilliant.

Never lost his cool. Never lost his calm. Yeah, so imagine he and I'm meeting and I'm like the like knock him down like let me out. Yeah, yeah, he's like hello, can this I'm a brain surgeon like.

Yeah I know. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, here's what we're going to do. We're going to talk to somebody and we just like love each other. Like I mean, like it was just a love affair. Like I hate it was I didn't realize that I was so intellectually unspired my whole life because I was in a room of people that didn't understand me and I never realized how how misunderstood I felt. until I got into a room with Secretary Ben Carson, and he just got me, and Armstrong Williams, who was a close friend of his, and he just got me, and Kanye West, who they just get me, and it's been so inspiring, and I'm so happy, and I don't think I've ever been this happy in my entire life. That's why it's hard for me to ever take a negative perspective on anything really, except for global warming. It's not real. Because I'm, I'm like, I feel so alive. Like I'm, I feel vivacious and I, I see the change happening in the black community where I'm like, all you have to do is be an individual. I do not tell, I don't go on campus and say vote for Trump. I don't say you need to be a Republican. I actually have tons of problems with the Republicans. You just don't ask me, you know? And they assume a Republican. They assume a registered Republican. That's just not true. And I fully support the president. I love the guy. I don't know what to say. I love President Trump. I love his son. I love Donald Trump Jr. I love Eric. I love Ivanka. And that's controversial. They're great. They're great people. I want you to meet them because they're when you can't not like I'm like think about like don't look like terribly wrong. I'm and this could be a this go bad. But think about like don't you like this is a guy like who like is how hunting moves friends with friends of mine.

a grizzly barrack out in the wilderness in nature. It's just like they've gone a really like unfair shake in the media.

I love them. I mean, it's authentic. It's not like your hustle for a job. No, I'm not. I know, no, no, I've actually explicitly say that I don't want to work on the administration.

No, I've already been offered people. I just say everybody knows who thinks, oh, she's pining for, I've been offered shows. Everything that you think that I've been offered, I'm going towards, I've already been offered. I've actually believed in what I'm doing and I'm building my own company.

It does all work for anybody. I don't want to work for anybody because then you have confines. Let's say I went in for example, worked for CNN or Fox News, right? Then I can't say David Hawke kind of sucks. But like that tweet, I would have had to remove about Chelsea handler.

Oh, right machine. The best thing ever was when Jake's like to lead it. I'm like, ha ha.

Yeah, she did. She took, she made the correct action. But what's so beautiful at me is I'm free. I say whatever I want and then they say deleted and I retweet it. Okay, by the way, that's what that's to me. That's freedom. Like you can't, but like that's the best part of this is that I'm truly free. I can say whatever I want. I don't have advertisers that you can boycott. Like it's just I can say my whole Twitter feed is just me.

Yeah, I feel so empowered.

Yeah, I love that. And that's why it was like, you know, I started working with Charlie and then I started building my own company and now he's a part of my company and now we work for each other and it's just like, we're mission driven and I do support the president, but I don't, I don't want to go work administration. That seems like a really, the worst job in America.

No, no, no, I'm basically this administration has got it because they've there's so angry and bitter about losing. Like, but next time 2024 comes around, you know, it'll be a little different, but they've just been like, oh, they're just like, it's, you can sense it. They're angry.

And who's winning?

No, no, I didn't say Republican. You just started to their code. No, no, no. We're winning the independent thinkers of people that think, yeah, see, see.

Yeah, exactly. You're a public in now. No. People that have this mentality, the people that are freedom driven, that just want to be able to have different ideas. And that's why I snap back at, you know, conservatives too. I'm like, I'm not a product of the right. Don't think like, I don't want people to go, oh, Candace is destroying the left. Then she wants to create a model if on the right. No. wrong. All I want to walk you would do is understand, you have a right to like certain ideas on both sides, but you don't like what you should never allow us for someone to use your identity to find how you have to think. You should always be the person to find how you think. That's the message that I say in college campuses.

Piss off.

Thank you, Candice. Thank you.