Transcript for Introducing: Death, Sex & Money

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00:00 - 00:42

Hi, everyone. Jonathan here. Heavyweight will be back with a new episode next week. But in the meantime, we wanted to share with you an episode of another show that we really like. It's called Death Sex and Money, and it's hosted by Hannah Sale. On the show, Anna interviews her guests about the topics that we usually tend to shy away from in polite conversation. Things like the titular, death, sex, and money. I recently sat down with Anna. As I was sitting here, I was jotting down some last minute questions and the first one that I wrote down was, did you ask inappropriate questions as a child? Like I'm imagining you approaching your dad's friends and asking them how much they made for a living?

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00:42 - 00:45

I don't think I did that. I definitely wondered.

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00:45 - 01:09

Or how much sex they have, or when they were planning to die. And it has a real gift with people, whether it's talking to a TV weatherman about losing his job after a sex photo leak, a new father about the surprising results of a paternity test, or to actress Ellen Burston about the illegal abortion she had at the age of 18. It's amazing what Ann is able to pull from her subject.

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01:09 - 01:28

The concrete questions that other interviewers might find too crass to ask, I just ask it, you know, all of us deal with hard things and uncomfortable things and rather than retreat into our own feelings of shame around it, let's create a little more conversation and connection.

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01:28 - 01:33

Yeah. And I think that you're a very good listener.

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01:33 - 01:35

Thank you.

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01:35 - 01:42

Did you, did you, I mean, just, uh, I'd a curiosity parenthetically. Did you have any a schooling for that?

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01:42 - 02:11

Listening school? Yeah. Uh, no. My school, I think, was, uh, being in a big family growing up. I was on the quiet side in a loud family. So, I think that trained me for, like, it's like, Listening and being able to take in a lot, but also, I feel like I'm kind of like a little, maybe a little bit like a cougar, like it was like waiting for that opening. And then I'm gonna like, you know, strike.

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02:11 - 02:16

It's very primal, it sounds like.

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02:16 - 02:22

I'm like, what's the metaphor? Someone who really wants a bloody piece of meat?

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02:22 - 02:25

The episode we're about to play is about a professional mover in New York City.

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02:26 - 03:12

Our producers Zoe Azulei was thinking about episodes where we can catch people in a moment. So it feels like you're talking to them when something is happening. And she sort of like movers are constantly doing that. They're showing up when people are at that moment of joining together, coming apart, it's changed. And so she started to just kind of look around at New York City Movers and she found this mover named Adonis. What I think is really interesting about him. He's a professional mover. That's what he does for work. And alongside that, he advertises his services as being willing to show up and help survivors of domestic violence get out of unsafe situations for free.

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03:12 - 03:24

Yeah. Well, I guess this is the part where I say, let's listen to the episode. And you can find death, sex, and money wherever you get your podcast.

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03:24 - 03:29

Thank you. That was a very enthusiastic throw. I feel.

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03:29 - 03:42

It's enthusiastic as I get. But I'll give it another go. Let's listen to this episode of death, sex, and money, which you can find wherever you get your podcast. Coming up right after the break.

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03:46 - 04:08

I am 64, 248 pounds. My employees use the word a brolic. A lot when they see me pick up stuff. Like, I literally just pick a sofa up over my head while I two are struggling with it. You know, and I'll just say, I got it. Now, just pick up the sofa bed over my head and start walking with it. And they go, oh my god, he's so brolic.

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04:12 - 04:45

This is Death, Sex, and Money. The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot. I need to talk about war. I'm Anna Sale. Adonis Williams is a mover in New York City. A job he started more than 20 years ago when he saw a woman crying on the subway. She had two kids with her and all their stuff and trash bags.

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04:45 - 04:58

And Axel, what was wrong? She explained that she had to make a choice between leaving the bags of clothes and carrying the kids.

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04:59 - 05:03

Adonis had a van and he offered to move her for free.

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05:03 - 05:54

I'm that way, even on the way here, I stopped to get me a cup of coffee and it was a mother with her daughter in Duncan Donut's true story and a little girl was crying because she wanted the Strawberry sprinkled doughnut and her mother was just going in to get a coffee. You know, I said, ma'am, I'm going to pay for your coffee. I'm going to pay for her doughnut and that's this the way I am. I see, you know, people who sad are crying, you know, but I do have one rule. I don't take care of the homeless in other states. Like, I travel too much. But if somebody comes up to me in the window and Texas of Tennessee, I don't, I don't give anybody. I know it's sad, but I just can't take care of the world. But in New York City, if you come up to my window, I'll give you $2, $5, and that's every day all day anybody.

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05:54 - 06:22

Adonis is often in other states because a lot of his moves are long distance, but they mostly start in New York City. On a Saturday afternoon a few months ago, Adana's was moving the belongings of Ms. Dixon. She had just retired from her job as a home health aid and was leaving the Bronx after many years. Producer Zoe Azulei met them at a storage unit where they were packing up her stuff.

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06:22 - 06:26

What's the, what's the moving plan today? Where are we going?

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06:26 - 06:30

We're going down south, North Carolina.

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06:30 - 06:42

What's there? family. And are you going, what are you going to miss about New York? Not much. For me, it's in the middle.

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From the storage unit, they drove an Adonis' truck, mystics and riding shotgun, Zoe squeezed in the middle, to pick up the rest of mystics and things at her apartment. Adonis has lived in New York City his whole life. He knows each neighborhood and how to maneuver through them in a big truck.

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07:02 - 07:10

Mr. Dickson, have you ever ate that Spanish restaurant right here? Where's your honor? Right here. No? No, I guess you never ate here. Are you thinking while back?

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When they got to the apartment, there was not much left to pack up.

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I don't have seven bucks in there. Only seven bucks is over there. Yes, a fan in the TV.

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07:19 - 07:22

Oh.

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07:22 - 07:24

They already packed up anyway. Okay.

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07:24 - 07:32

Like we killed guilty about taking you on money with such a small job old. I mean, I think give you some money. I had to pay you for the exercise today.

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Over his 20 years in the moving business, Adanas has seen people in all sorts of transitional moments. Retiring, getting married, being priced out. Sometimes a person is ready with their stuff in boxes, eager. Other times, Adanas and his team have to help a person pack. It's a mover's job to make this moment manageable, to compartmentalize and help a person move on. This is not a service Adanas had growing up.

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08:06 - 08:29

Well, I remember moving as a child between Harlem and the Bronx. And we never hired movers. I didn't even know, you know, I would just come from school and we'd be in a new place. My dad took care of everything. And we just did it with pickup trucks, cars, you know, whatever we get, you know, whatever relative could come by. We never ever hired a moving truck.

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08:30 - 08:51

I talked to Adonis after he'd gotten Mr. Dixon's things to North Carolina. He came into our New York studio the morning before another move. It was still summer, Adonis' peak season when he does about a move a day. He used to pack in three moves a day. That's a lot of flights of stairs, tight corners, and long drives.

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08:51 - 09:09

I just did back to back Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Massachusetts and now I have a very month coming up next week. I've been to every state except for Seattle Washington and Oregon.

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09:09 - 09:15

And when you are driving these long haul moves, do you go by yourself?

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09:15 - 09:31

Sometimes, sometimes I do or sometimes I pick up my dad Yeah, my dad. He comes and he does the driving. You know, even at 70 years old, he's still a hell of a driver and still moves furniture and picks up boxes and stuff.

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09:31 - 09:34

He loves to go and are they still living in New York City?

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09:34 - 09:43

No, no, no. My parents eight years ago moved to North Carolina and I moved them and they said, if I gave them the cheapest price.

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09:46 - 09:48

Not because they wanted to page that interview.

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09:48 - 09:50

Because I said move for free.

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Do you want the bid? Uh-huh with free. Okay, got it.

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09:53 - 10:25

Yeah, I moved my parents out to North Carolina and I visit them anytime I do a move going like I said I'm doing New York to Florida New York to Georgia New York to South Carolina. I was stopping and use my parents' places to hotel. But my dad still goes when I go up 95. He's always happy to put on his fatigues because that's when he goes, yeah, he likes the fact that when he is wearing his Vietnam hat and his fatigues, a lot of people will say thank you for your service. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

10:25 - 10:45

Yeah. And it's nice you get to watch those interactions. That's cool. You get to see that. I imagine when you enter into a home where someone is moving out, it means something in their life is changing. Can you tell the difference between a happy move and a sad move?

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10:45 - 11:22

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a matter of fact now, I get the email. Adonis, you move me and let's say, just use the name Josh into the apartment five years ago. We're now getting divorced and I just want to know if you would help me move. So they all know the kind of atmosphere I'm entering. Like I won't be like, Hey, how was everything going? You know what? And it's a set. occasion for them because they're getting a divorce, you know what I mean? And so I go in there like neutral, not taking any sides.

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11:22 - 11:32

And do you find, like, how often do you find that you need to sort of, you know, offer some reassurance or some comfort for somebody who's having a sad move?

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11:33 - 11:58

usually all every time every time you do the move there is some, you know, they want to talk to you about it. You become the bartender or the taxi driver that they need to, you know, vent to, or at least tell their side because, you know, everybody feels they will, oh, I'm not the bad person. And you can some, I get some people, guys, both guys and girls and say a dinosaur really messed up. I cheated on him and got busted.

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12:00 - 12:08

Do you ever find yourself sharing any of your ups and downs with someone who's having a hard time?

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12:08 - 12:23

Absolutely. You can't go in and just hear about their life and not have to share part of your life with them. And that happens all the time. I told my mistakes because at 54, I'm always older than the person that I'm moving.

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12:34 - 13:01

When you come into someone's home and they are packing up all of their possessions, I imagine you see a lot of private items. You see the way people actually live instead of how they present on the street. Does anything surprise you now having done this for 20 years? What you come across when you're packing up a bedroom, for example?

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13:02 - 14:55

No, now I have my question here. When I send them a list of tips, you know, moving tips, the please check under the beds for anything personal, so that cause a lot of times the apartments are so small. The room's so small that the bed takes up most of it and you can't move the bed left or right or nothing. It just up against the wall and so I accidentally check under the bed because usually whatever falls on the side of the bed or under the bed they can't get it until the movers come and move the bed. So I moved in Indian couple that had moved before. and was familiar with them and everything. But this time, they were having a baby and they needed a bigger space. So when we move the bed, and a lot of the Indians and Asians, parents come on both sides when they're doing a move. Yes, they both come like this and event, whatever. They come help do the packing and maybe the mind, the baby, the small children, so the parents can do whatever they have to do. So I got ready to take apart the bed, took the mattress off and lifted it up. They're all talking to me, you know, and I moved the bed and some use condoms were fell on the side of the bed. And yes. Yeah, use used used. And the girl was pregnant, which was the reason they were moving. And so the husband had no reason to use condoms. And so, everybody's staring at room looking at each other except me, I just put the better to decide and take it out, but there was a big argument in their language. And it didn't well. She ended up staying at the place and he ended up leaving, and it was a big or argument as a little man.

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14:55 - 15:39

Oh, wow. Oh, my goodness. And I wonder if I'm imagining for your, for your clients, you know, who find you and reach out like you, you, you also have this very up close view of how New York City neighborhoods are changing. Because you're noticing who's coming in and who's coming out. What, what are you noticing? Right now in New York, is there anything different? Or is it the same kind of march of, you know, expensive neighborhoods getting bigger and affordable neighborhoods getting smaller and the racial makeup of neighborhoods changing?

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15:39 - 16:47

You know, that clips. What I'm noticing is nobody, and I mean nobody in New York City can live alone. It's very rare for me to move or place. Let's see, even if there's one bedroom where there's just one person living there, just paying the rent. Everybody has to have help. Yeah, the rate is so expensive. I don't care what kind of job you are. I've moved lawyers and doctors and people in advertised men. I once moved a group of girls on Wall Street in a very, very expensive building. And it was seven of them. They had so many walls put up split in this place. So they're going through a maze to get the stuff out. So they're going for the right. Yeah. We had gotten there early and so there was still a few other people sleeping. There was actually a girl who slept by the door. The little hallway that leads to the door was a bedroom. So she had to like fold up her bed and move it so we could start, you know, coming in and out. I was like, yeah, that's really really trying to paint a rent with the seven girls in here.

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16:49 - 17:00

Does it ever get you down, like seeing how hard people are, how hard it is for people to, to find a comfortable place to live and to be able to afford to stay there?

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17:00 - 17:54

No, no, you know, I never, it never gets me down and that's like that, but it makes me, um, realize that I'm not the only one in that boat. Because growing up, we were very, very, very, very, very, very, and if I could throw two more varies on there, very poor. Yeah, very poor. We always thought white people lived better than us. You know what I mean? We lived in the projects and, you know, they lived in a tri-becker and Grammysie Park and, you know, all those places. But now that I move people, you use state to yourself, wow, they're really, People in New York City really, really suffer in their own way. You know what I mean? They just put up a good facade.

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17:54 - 18:00

Coming up, Paladana Scott into the moving business. And why, the first five years, he didn't charge for it.

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18:01 - 18:16

The frequency of the phone calls where I was trying to do Friday Saturdays and Sundays. The people that are being abused can't wait for the weekend. So then I found myself trying to take care of it in the morning before I went to work.

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18:58 - 19:23

This is Death Sex and Money from WNYC, I'm Anna Sale. By the time Adonis Williams was 30, he'd gone through lots of jobs, supermarket clerk, security guard, summer youth counselor, and dental assistant, but money was tight. He had two sons, one who lived with him. That's why he bought his first van in 2000. He needed a car, and a Dodge Caravan from the mid-90s was what he could afford.

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19:23 - 19:29

I had that then, because that's the only thing that they would give me on my credit.

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19:29 - 19:38

I see. So I'm picturing like a mini van, which is what like, you know, when you've got a couple of kids in the back, but for you, it was the car loan you could get.

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19:38 - 20:04

Yes, what I could do as a day, I started off in the front with the Dodge Charger, and then I saw the Dodge Pickups, and I started thinking of myself, I had my son with me at a time, but they walked me way, way, way past all that stuff. So the back of the yard with this van with the leaves on it, opened it up and he said, this is what we got for you. I took it, I took it.

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20:04 - 20:07

Then September 11th happened.

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20:07 - 20:21

The government was looking for people to look at the x-rays and stuff. And so I was able to identify a lot of small stuff and they were impressed with that and the government hired me to train people at the TSA to read x-rays.

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20:22 - 20:39

He worked long hours at LaGuardia. One night after work, he was taking the subway home and noticed the woman with her two kids carrying trash bags with their belongings. She told him she'd been staying in a shelter because her partner was abusive but she'd had to leave the shelter and that night she had nowhere to go.

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20:39 - 21:04

And so I came back with the van and I got her in the two kids and I got them pizza and Hawaiian punch. Yeah and took them to my house and I gave them the bedroom and I used my living room sofa bed and that's when I realized that you know in the shelter system they don't really help you get in or out.

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The next morning, he moved her and her kids and their things back into the shelter system after they'd reapplied for a slot. And Adonis decided he wanted to help more victims of domestic violence move out of unsafe situations. A service he still provides today. He placed an ad on Craigslist and put the word out.

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21:23 - 21:42

I got some cards. And then I went around and put them to the shelters. Not that the shelters aren't easy to find. They meant that way. So they abuse it. Don't find the shelters. And for the first five years, I didn't make any money. And I didn't get any money. And I didn't accept any money for the first five years of moving.

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21:42 - 21:47

Oh, so it wasn't like a job. It was a service that you did.

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21:47 - 21:50

I also have a Facebook page still called that Facebook page here.

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21:52 - 21:54

How much were you helping people move?

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21:54 - 22:45

I was only doing the job on the weekends, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. At the Department of Homeland Security, I had 10 hours shift. So I finished my 40 hours and 40 days. So I had Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And I had the ad if I got the phone call, I would just move people. The type of move I was doing was a person with bags of clothes, they even put dishes and forks and spoons and bags of clothes. I mean, in garbage bags, and they would sit like taking a mattress and maybe a TV, you know, maybe a TV. But those are desperate people trying to get out of a situation while either the abuser was locked up, you know, or at work, you know, something like that. I rushed in. Just me and my son at the time, my son was only nine years old. So it was just me and him.

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22:48 - 23:10

I want to make sure I'm understanding the families who are trying to get away from violence in the home. Is it primarily, do you encounter them when they're trying to get to a shelter or moving between shelters or sometimes are you coming in when the abuser's away, sneaking in, trying to get them out safely.

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23:10 - 23:34

Yeah, it's very, you know, even sometimes the abuser's still there, but we're talking 20 years later, and I have a crew now, not just me and my nine-year-old son, so now when they see like four or five big guys come through the door, the guy's sitting in a quiet, and he doesn't see anything. And we don't give him the mean face, nothing like that.

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23:36 - 23:48

Is there anyone in your life had on us that like before you were moving survivors of domestic violence? Did you know anyone was anyone in your life? Somebody who'd been through a dangerous relationship?

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23:48 - 25:39

Well, my parents, my mom and my dad, you used to go through that. You know, and you know what the weird thing is when my mom and dad were fighting, my mom would be bruised up. It was no name for. We got a beating from my dad. My mom got a beating from dad. You know what I mean? It was just the way it was. But when the police came, they nobody got arrested. They would say take a walk around the block. You know, or you got a cool off. They were veterans all Sony understood what he was going through. So they give him a break. But once we got older, I would say, between 17 and 20 and we could me and my older brother could challenge my father and because by that time we lived in Harlem in the Bronx and we were kind of street-hard and you know even though I saw like a I saw like an easy-going mellow guy I have never lost the fight on the streets of Harlem or the Bronx and I did anybody to say so because I come see them you know but yes when I put up my dukes There was no walking away from that. The person always ended up on the ground and people had to pull me off from, you know. So when me and my brother, you know, my dad, you know, he went in after my mom and then we, we, me and my brother closed, got my mom out and closed the door when we came back out that day in 1992. Dad never did it again. Any gave up the drink and smoke and stuff like that over the years. He's a great guy now. But yeah, yeah, he was, he was military train. It wasn't an easy fight. I tell you that, the military, I learned that day train. I'm so just very, very well. But we had youth and stamina on our side and we prevailed 92.

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So you were, you were in your early 20s? Yeah, I'm born in 69. So 89, it's like 22.

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It's interesting you remember the year you remember when you remember the day you had to go against the most powerful man on the planet. Because there's no kid who doesn't think his dad is not the most powerful person on the planet. There's not one kid out here. I see my pop beat up grown men in the street, just beat him up and you know, because you know, it's the way it was in Harlem in the Bronx. And I had a problem with somebody and you step out at a bar and you know, I see him take on two and three guys like, what am I gonna do? I'm 10 years old. My pop told me to do something. I did it. I saw with the other guys got, you know what I mean? Yeah.

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26:25 - 26:26

Have you and your dad talked about that?

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26:28 - 27:37

No, I've never talked to my dad about that. But during a drive once, my dad had asked me about why I never cursed. He asked me, oh, yeah, he wants to know why I never cursed. And he wants to know why I never used drugs or smoke or anything. And we had a conversation about that and I explained to him. And he wanted to know what did I do with my mom kicked me out because when I was 24, 25, my mom made me leave. And what did you do? I lived sometimes, I lived sometimes in the same building where she put me out of, but on the roof area. And I still went to work from there until a friend of mine had a studio apartment. He was getting married and he gave me the studio apartment. That was my first apartment in Harlem.

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27:37 - 27:38

And why did your mom ask you to leave?

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27:40 - 27:51

She found that I had a kid that I didn't tell her about. Yeah, my first son. She was upset. She put me out.

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And what did you say when your dad asked you about why you don't curse and why you didn't do drugs?

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27:57 - 28:36

Well, I told my dad, um, I didn't do drugs because I saw what it did to him. You know what I mean? You know, I had a cigarette smoking, the drinking, how did it meet him? And I was afraid to become that person. And I don't smoke. To this day, I do not hit women. I do not hit children. And I do not hit animals. Yeah. I never once gave my kids a spanking and I never had a argument with a girl and a relationship and I never hit her and I don't get animals. They can't defend themselves.

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28:36 - 29:11

That makes me understand the Donas when you describe, you know, being on the subway and seeing a mom with her kids struggling. It makes me understand Maybe a little bit about the depth of feeling you might have to want to help look out and help them. It's help a mom who needed help. A few years then, Adonis realized he could make more money moving and working airport security. And he started his business.

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29:11 - 29:27

In New York City, he could not enter in 50 bucks to 1200. Just for the one move. And so that money started to look way better than, you know, waiting two weeks for a $1,200 check when I get that in one day. Sort of math was pretty easy for me. Uh-huh.

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29:27 - 29:34

Uh-huh. You mentioned your son, who's now, who's now an adult. Are you a single man now, Adonis?

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29:34 - 29:54

Yeah, I have two boys, you know, and one is 29 and one is 33. And I'm not married, but I'm not single. Uh-huh. Yeah, well, it's not like I'm going to have a girlfriend. You know, you're in a relationship. Yeah, I've been a relationship. Yeah, yeah, I'm in a relationship. Yeah.

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29:54 - 29:57

Uh-huh. Where did you meet your current partner?

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29:58 - 30:25

I was doing a move and she just walked through to me on the streets. I looked for a job and taught her to wrap furniture. She was terrible at the job, but a pretty girl and I was like, you don't have to work anymore, but I don't think I ever, I think technically even though we've been like five years, I think technically I could still get out of it because I had never officially said I'm your boyfriend. She just have to be around me when I'm going to movies and dinner.

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She just happens to be there. So you don't live together.

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30:33 - 30:49

No, no, no, I don't live together. I don't want to live with anybody anymore. I have two separate moms. So I've been through that before. And it's not a good. It's not a good. The breakup isn't good. They know too much about you when it's time to end.

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30:49 - 31:18

And I wonder, Adana, when you come home to your place and you look around at things that you have. You know, when your work is to see all the stuff that people have and, you know, like, do you find that the objects that you keep in your house? Are there a few things that you really treasure? Or do you find that you're less attached to stuff?

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31:18 - 31:36

Yeah, I am very less attached to stuff. I don't think I have anything in my house. that I pay for and I even my own bed. And I got a nice comfy bed. Of course, a lot of money that I didn't pay for. I got a big screen TV when it was nice curved TVs. I don't know what they cost. Maybe 2,500 these days. Well, I got it for free.

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31:36 - 31:38

How'd you get that nice TV for free?

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31:38 - 31:52

When the clients, they were upgraded or they're moving, like they can style it in the movie, they got married or in a relationship, they're moving. And they only two beds, they only two TVs. So I get a lot of stuff all the time.

SPEAKER_05

31:52 - 31:59

Oh, that makes sense, because for people who are just trying to be done with moving stuff, like you taking that off their hands.

SPEAKER_06

31:59 - 32:19

Yeah, I used to try to sell it, but It's just too much hassle to sell it. So I donate it. I donate all the furniture to victims of domestic violence. I still have my ad up. I will take a picture of it and if it can move out, I'll deliver it for free.

SPEAKER_05

32:21 - 32:30

When you think about the next five, 10 years, how long do you think you'll be working on moving sites and doing the moving yourself?

SPEAKER_06

32:30 - 32:36

I think I could go based on my father. I can't go at least to 75.

SPEAKER_05

32:40 - 32:41

So another 20 years?

SPEAKER_06

32:41 - 33:21

Yeah, I'm going to be the person to point the finger to lift that up. Probably in the next five years, if not sooner, as opposed to actually doing the work myself. I actually jumped. It was a four flight walk up. I take a flight myself to this day. And when those guys complain about what they're lifting and how heavy something is, I'll always go, come on, I'm double your age and I'm still doing it. I'm not even sweating yet, but when I sit and I hope they never hear this podcast. When I sit in that truck, I'm going, why the hell did I do that? Oh my God, why am I still doing it? But then when I open that truck door, I'm like, let's get back to work.

SPEAKER_05

33:30 - 34:43

That's Adonis Williams, a mover in the New York City, who now lives in Queens. Death, sex, and money is a listener-supported production of WNYC Studios in New York. This episode was produced by Zoe Azulei. The rest of our team is Liliana Maria Percy Ruiz, Amy Pearl, Lindsay Foster Thomas, and Andrew Dunn. Thank you to Jason Isaac for engineering help. The Reverend John DeLore and Steve Lewis wrote our theme music, where at Death Sex Money on Instagram and subscribe to our weekly newsletter at deathsexmoney.org slash newsletter. Thank you to Lori McCaskel in Brooklyn, New York for being a member of Death Sex and Money and supporting us with a monthly donation. Join Christine and support what we do here by going to deathsexmoney.org slash donate. When Adonis does retire, he plans to move out of New York City to the country, to live close to his parents.

SPEAKER_06

34:43 - 35:11

It's nothing like looking at the sky and listening to the crickets and having your dog, like they have two dogs. But the dogs love me when I come by and recognize me right away, they even jump up and down like little kids you wouldn't believe these two dogs. They didn't jump up and down, they get to wagon, you know, and they love me. I get me in the dog and and live on my days in a rocking chair with like my dad.

SPEAKER_05

35:11 - 35:14

I'm Anna Sale, and this is Death Sex and Money from WNYC.