Transcript for What Happened to ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty?’ With Clayton Echard

Yeah, I mean, again, everywhere I go, I thought there would be some sense of a normal C in privacy, but it's just once you're out there you're out there for good.

I think 27 at this point.

Fortunately, unfortunately, yeah.

Yeah, so where I'm currently at and why I'm here today is I guess fame comes with a side of madness. In this last year, I've been dealing with a false accusation from a woman that claims she was impregnated by me with twins. We are now a year into that and she's she never was pregnant. The whole thing was a lie. She has done this previously to three other men that were aware of. She's been doing this for eight years now at least and she claimed that she's in probably pregnant with them is by by them with twins as well. How do we know that she's made all this up? Well, we've the doctors that she said that she has seen. All seven of them came back, said they have no record of her. We did a paternity test at one point. That came back as little to no fetal DNA twice because she was never pregnant. And she also had sent me an ultrasound video at one point. that she put online as well and was found 25 years later by the Reddit audience online to be from a video from YouTube six years ago. So everything has went back to, she's made this entire thing up, she's claimed that she was pregnant, which is a lie, she claims she had a miscarriage, which is a lie. She's claimed by one that with one of the previous victims that she had ovarian cancer. She's claimed she's been raped. She said that that I did that as well. After we have evidence and everything's been documented showing that she said what we did was consensual, but we didn't have sexual intercourse on to make that.

Correct. Yes. And so here we are where she has lied, lied, lied, and lied. We have a June 10th hearing coming up where we hope that justice will be served. We're hoping that ruling will be found that she lied. She probably won't admit it herself, but the judge hopefully will find that.

Yeah, this is my second false accusation that I've dealt with. Is that right?

The other one was I solved pretty quickly through our location services on my phone. This woman said that I flew out to New York hooked up with her and flew back with my phone show that I was in Scottsdale.

Okay, I just got some bad jujur or something.

No way. Not at all. It was 11 days later that she sent me the message from a different phone number. I'd blocked her already. And she said that she was pregnant. At the time, it was one child. It progressed to twins because I found out when we were doing the paternity test. She said, hey, we can't do a paternity test because they don't do it when there's twins involved. Because there's a small chance that it could be two different fathers. So they won't do a test on twins. certain most won't, but certain facilities will. But originally she came out and said that yeah, she's pregnant and she said okay. So here's how it here's how it'll go either. You date me for a week and if it doesn't work out after a week, I'll have an abortion. And if you don't date me, then I'm having the child. So that was that's basically what she told me that was needed to happen.

There's some liability apparently involved.

No, it went straight to Amgilti until proven innocent. I mean, I was, she came out anonymously online through the sun. They published an article. I got picked up right away by all these different, you know, news sources. And they all ran with it. And people online said, this is exactly the kind of guy that we knew he was. He's a terrible human being. This tracks. And now, what does he have to say to this? And so I went right out on the defense. I said, I got to go back and combat this. So I went out online. said, none of this is true. And then it became okay, then prove it. And so that was the reception that I faced when it first went public. As I went straight into defense mode, I was already guilty in the eyes of the majority.

Yeah, my personal opinion is they did. I spoke with one of the publicists and they said, listen, this might be one of the best things for you for this to go out publicly because all press is good press. I said, I don't want to deal with this. I've already went through enough. I've been struggling as is with my mental health. I'm getting I was torn to shreds on, you know, after the show, people didn't really like me. I was a polarizing bachelor. I said, I don't want this.

Yeah, it feels like the entire world who watched me throughout is, it's a microcosm that did, but they'll speak so loud.

There's a fairly six to eight million people, but when you take the entire population of the US, it works like three hundred and a hundred.

I appreciate that, but I'm past that point now. Okay, good. I've come into knowing who I am now and I have confidence and I have this kind of feeling. Yeah, I don't really care as much anymore, but it does feel like the entire world when six million people are screaming at you. That's what it feels like.

Yeah, I pulled the previous court cases because when she went public I got a message within 12 hours saying hey, you're not the only guy go take a look at this court case and they gave me a number and I searched it in the system and I pulled it up and boom same text messages. I mean verbatim. This has been practiced over and over again. And so, you know, at that point though, then it was a matter of she was trying to destroy my reputation. And I couldn't go anywhere with her without her harassing me. She sent letters to my family. She sent letters to my place of employment. She sent emails to nonprofits. What was she saying?

So I'm a mental health advocate and I was at the time I was speaking around the country. I was talking to a mental school high school college aged kids about just destigmatizing the conversations around mental health. She started reaching out to these non-profits, these mental health organizations saying, hey, this guy is not who you think he is. I am pregnant by his twins and he won't even step up and he doesn't care about my mental health and he's letting me just deal with this on my own. So she started reaching out to all of them. I had a full few of those opportunities pulled and then she went after my relationships. I went to Miami to go see a friend in my cousin and she ended up sending a parenting plan. She was sending them to women that I had talked to in the past. Well, one of them that I had talked to the other one I had mentioned on a podcast once I thought, I said, hey, I would have interest in her. And she tried to serve papers to both of those individuals that were living in Miami. I mean, she just wherever I went, she tried to smother me with, you know, just with information.

Yeah, I'm very aware of that. That happened.

What happened here locally?

I don't know. And you got to tell me it's just was kind of shocking to be so close to home, but there's a lot of parallels.

Really at this point, she opened a family court hearing. It's me. I didn't turn it back and filed on her. I'm looking for justice to get served. I want accountability be had. I want her to face consequences for her. She stole the family court hearing on you. Yeah, why I held it open. She opened against me and I've held it open.

Yeah, at least two possibly the third one. This is a pattern. Yeah, it's repetitive.

Well, it made me feel less alone because we went through the same thing. I mean, the previous two guys, she claims she was pregnant with twins with those two as well. So as we started comparing notes, showing previous text messages and just talking with one another, there was a playbook to this. She's very calculated. And she doesn't work alone. Again, her mom's are accomplice, her mom's complicit in this behavior. Is that right? I'm spoken to her mom on the phone or she's very aware of what she's doing. And she, I think, is, yeah, is a part of her operation.

She's not after money, which is after my opinion is she's after validation from others. So she has a mental health podcast. So she basically takes these stories, spends them, becomes the victim, and then uses that for credibility. So she gets validation online and through her podcast, through sangham, a victim of, you know, prior domestic abuse and I was formally pregnant and these men treated me terribly. She's unted talks or one TED talk on this matter with the previous victim. It's a complete lie, the entire TED talk.

Yeah, I mean, it's all come into a head. It's going to be me, the other victims there as well. One of them's testifying all of us to be testifying. And again, we want justice to be served because it just hasn't happened yet. Now, granted, we have a really good shot at all of the emotions that we have filed. I've been approved. All of her recent emotions have been denied. I think run a really good position to have this referred hopefully to the DA for prosecution.

Oh man, that's a big, I don't, you know, a lot, I guess is the first thought to pop to my head. I think the biggest thing is for me is to just trust that everything is, we'll work itself out. And I think it's all for a bigger purpose. Do I make mistakes, absolutely? I'm not trying to dodge any type of responsibility. I could have, you know, not taken the actions that I did, but the reality is I did take actions and here I am today. I believe that this is bigger than me, and I believe that this could potentially help other individuals. I've had a lot of men come forward in private and say, hey, this happened to me or this happened to my friend. If I'd women say this happened to my brother, it's more common than people realize. And I think the frustrating part is I've, there's been push back online. I think the reason why we haven't seen a lot of coverage is because I've seen people say, hey, listen, like we don't want this to become a reverse me to movement. We don't want people to stop believing women. This isn't about believing women or not. This is a matter of believing victims. But this story has been suppressed because I've seen this online. People have said, hey, if this gets out and people are going to stop believing women, we don't want that. I've been called a men's right activist, especially when I posted about Trevor Bower. I posted about his story and I got all these messages and my DMs. You're a men's right activist. I'm like, I have no interest in trying to discredit women. I'm just trying to credit victims. That's all it is. believe the truth and maybe have a reserve a little judgment to not make a, you know, form opinions and tell all the facts are out. Because I got thrown into the wolves right out the gate. And that was tough to have to fight that uphill battle to prove my innocence. When it should be, I think the opposite scenario, I should, you know, be innocent until proven guilty.

I mean, as a blanket statement, as a whole, I think there's a population of people that have a really hard time seeing me as a victim. I've, again, I've read this online. These are not my opinions. These are just the facts of the matter. I've had people online say. I look at them. He's a good-looking guy, former athlete. I mean, it's hard to feel bad for him. And the route is what hurts me is I wasn't, you know, I used to be bullied, I used to be, you know, third of the size that I am now, you know, I used to be friends owned by a girl growing up. I didn't, the way that I appear is not the way that I see myself in the mirror. And so for people to just credit me and say, oh, boo, who'd be quiet. You've got enough good things going for you. It's really hard for me to feel bad for you. It's like, well, now you're just crediting what I've went through and I feel silenced and I feel alone. And that's what I've seen online is I'm like, I feel hopeless. There's days where I felt helpless because I'm like, why won't anyone just listen to me because it's the truth? You know, I just want to feel validated.

Because again, I think they don't want to see if I was told that the roles were reversed. That I as the man would have been arrested months ago. I was told by someone high up in the judicial system that if this was a female batch or at and there was a man that was doing something like this that this wouldn't have gone on for as long.

I think there's bias based off of my gender. Yeah. It's out there. Yeah.

I think I'm always learning and progressing.

Absolutely. Be authentically you. Just be yourself. You'll attract ultimately the energy that you are. I think when I went through this experience as the bachelor, I didn't have full confidence in self-love it and who I was. And so I went into that experience, basically trying to please everyone. The producers, the audience, the women, myself. And you can't please all those people, but you can be yourself through it. All I wasn't. And so I lived, I was, you know, I created someone of a sod, this tough guy exterior, and it didn't, you know, pan out well for me. So I think, you know, I started attracting a different audience that I didn't want to round me because who I was, this creative human being that I've now been expressing outwardly, was suppressed. So the authentic genuine people that wanted to be around me were similar to me had no idea who I actually was. So my advice to people is be you. You know, we get pushed back. Absolutely. I've gotten pushed back for getting earrings. Yeah, I've gotten pushed back for dancing. Now, yeah, absolutely. But am I attracting people that like that? Absolutely. And it feels really just awesome to see people that support the things that I genuinely love.

Yeah, because this is finally caused me to have to come to terms with my reality, which is that I was living a life that was a lie, my entire life, trying to impress people by building up an image that I thought people would, you know, see, I would get validation from. And I did, throughout, you know, points in my life, you know, when I became an infill athlete briefly, I got all the validation of the world, wow, that's super impressive. But then I stopped being an infill athlete and I lost it all and that void came back. I had no of it. So I tried to fill that validation again that I was seeking and then I found it in the bachelor. And then eventually I wasn't the shiny object anymore and that void was there again. And I said, I'm so tired of having this void, you know, what is it going to take for me to finally feel good enough? And it's when I realize I was like, you have to choose to feel good enough. It's that simple. There's people that are still in your hometown that love their lives and love who they are. And they didn't have to do all those things you did to seek validation. They have that internal validation. I had to go through this whole experience to realize that no matter how high I climb, I won't feel good enough until I finally choose to feel that way.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, because you always are questioning people's intentions. I can pick up pick it up now, but I will have women that'll say they'll act shocked whenever it finally gets uncovered. I don't I don't walk into a situation where I was the former bachelor. So you know, I hide it. You know a lot of times as much as I can and then it'll come out and they'll say oh I had no idea why don't watch that show but then I can start to realize no they're just saying that they actually do know who I am and this is you know all lie on their part So it's hard because you start to go okay to people like me for who I am authentically or do they like me for what I've done so every time I meet somebody I'm always going straight into detective mode trying to figure out the most bigs Austin it is Yeah, it is, but I mean, again, that's just my reality. There's no other way around it. I just have to accept the facts for what they are. So I've got really good at reading people. I have to. Otherwise, it'll take advantage of me like they have in the past.

So actually there actually is a shortage of women, but that's because I have begun to be authentically who I am and it's pushed away a large majority of people that see what I do as cringy. I mean, listen, I'm out of good dancer. I know that, but I love the dance and I've gotten better than when I started a year ago. But a lot of people see that and they're like, oh, that's cringey. So I've actually reduced my dating pool by pushing away the people that don't like that, but down to a manageable size. Yeah, yeah. But like what I've done though is now it's like, I don't have to weed through all those individuals. They weren't going to be right from anyways. You know, at some point, if I would not dance, they might have realized who I really was and not like to I am. I've actually limited the dating pool, so options are limited, but I don't have to weed through as many people that don't like who I am. No, it's just like people that come around me, do like me.

Yes, the goal. Yeah, I mean, again, I think the whole purpose in life is, is, or what gives life meaning in relationships. Of all the things that I've done, again, these are all temporary moments of satisfaction to be this, to be that, to be in the spotlight. But you realize I get in a day, I just love being, hang out, my brothers. and just be in their presence. We can be sitting outside, you know, and in the sun by the pool. And those are the moments where I am most happy with my life. It's those simple things. And so without relationships, I'm like, what's the point of life? You know, so I just want to get that back and I want to build a family.

Um, well, fairly early on because I wanted, uh, when she said, hey, listen, this is, this is, this is a reality of the fact you've got me pregnant. I said, um, I don't believe it based off of the fact that we didn't have sexual intercourse, uh, but like, let's go have an, an ultrasound done. Well, she said, okay, we got to wait a certain period of time for that. I said, okay, I think let's cut off communication until that point. She, of course, then did and she kept sending me messages for asking me. Um, but then when it came time to do the ultrasound, she rescheduled it and said, I'm fearful that you'll, I can't, I can't trust that you won't show up and potentially harm me. Um, so she said, I'm a reschedule, not let you know when it is. So I said, that's fine. Then you can face time me when you go and then she just said, you know, reschedule it and then never ever like did it. And I'm like, okay. So you won't even, you know, we, I can't even get a doctor to sign off. That's I asked for the doctor that that apparently apparently a parent plan parenthood that did an ultrasound early on in and said she was probably going to have the pet documents. I said let me talk to her. She would let me talk to the doctor. So it's really simple if you want let me talk to them. Then why would I believe you? So I knew at that point early on probably within the first couple months. I was like this isn't there's no truth in this at all.

Yeah, I mean, because the second she went public, I think it was the worst thing that she could have done. And she thought she was going to stay anonymous and destroy my character and everything that I have. But when she went public, it just opened up the floodgates and I started, you know, again, I got two DMs, two different people said, you're not alone. Look up this court case. And so I looked up the court case. And when I went and looked up the court case, I saw there was another man that was named in that from a previous case. And so then I had reached out because I said, OK, I need to talk to these guys and see what's going on here. And so I started having those conversations. And then when I just realized it was almost a carbon copy from one case to the max, I realized, wow, this is this is an ongoing thing. And this is why she's so good at it is because she's had practice and what doesn't work.

Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, again, the fact that she hasn't faced any accountability this entire time for the last.

Uh, yeah. I mean, it's from my understanding. Absolutely, there is. And she's, she's admitted to medical fraud. I mean, she's already admitted to it. She said that she doctored a, uh, the ultrasound and, and changed the name of the provider that that did it. I'm like, so she's admitted to that kind of medical fraud already. I'm like, that's punishable. Medical fraud is, uh, she's claim that, you know, threatened to sue me for a certain amount of money. Um, so she's, um, she's also, you know, defamed me. That's punishable.

That's, that's where the things we'll had if I don't get the outcome that I'm looking for in June 10th. I'll have no choice but to.

Yeah, I'll come as justice again. I want this to be referred to the DA for prosecution.

Yes. Because she should be prosecuted.

Yeah, yeah. So again, I think with all of the facts that are out there.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there needs to be some type of repercussions for these kind of actions. If she goes for walks freely, what do you think she's going to do? She's going to feel, she's going to feel indestructible. She's going to feel, you know, invincible and she's going to go out and do it again. I mean, why, why would she stop? She did it as recently as me and she's done it for the last eight years. What makes you think she won't do it again?

Yeah, I got a lot of thoughts again.

Yeah, I mean my biggest thing is is when I went through my experience on the show again, I wasn't a fan favorite.

I fell in love with three women at once. How does it show work? So you date thirty women and then?

It's a show based in polyamor where the goal is to get down to monogamy where you end up getting engaged with one woman.

I mean, yeah, we went. We traveled the country was incredible.

At certain points.

Yeah, so I made the beginning of the show. They, they'll stay in a mansion. I stayed in a hotel separate. And then we went to Canada. We went to Austria. We went to Croatia. I slipped. The women? All 30? Well, you start to eliminate them over time. You will eliminate it. Yeah. That's part of the right way I should use. But that's the truth. I mean, there's a, you know, it's like you send people home over time. And then you try to get down to one person. Okay. I just happen to fall in love with you.

Yeah, you go on these extravagant dates. I mean, I went into an active volcano for a date. I went, you know, the Iceland and we did doom bugger, you know, right in the black sand beaches of Reykjavik Island.

Well, I don't know if all of them wanted to be with me, but they make it appear that way.

Um, but yeah, for the reason why people go on the show, I've a lot of times it's for external validation or something.

Yeah, most of these women had no idea it was me when they came on the show. I mean, that's what they told me. They didn't know it was me that it showed up and I happen to be the bachelor. They weren't. They didn't know it was me at a time.

Again, I can't speak for all of them.

I'm gonna go as a fall in love with one, not three.

Yeah, I fell in love with each of them for different things. And that's when I realized I was in trouble because I knew that I told myself, I got asked early on, you know, can you fall in love with multiple people? I said, no, they said, why? So because they as in the process, I said, because if I do, it's going to be a massive mess. And then I did one day, I felt, I realized I had fallen out with multiple women. I started historically laughing on an elevator in Iceland. They're like, what are you laughing about? I said, I'm so screwed. They said, why? I said, because I just realized I fell in love with three women. Of course, they were like, get them in a room right now.

It ramps back up, yeah. The show's kind of lost followers over the years, but mine was pretty dramatic. My season had definitely brought people back in.

Yeah, so basically what happened is I ended up expressing feelings I love to multiple women and I was intimate with multiple women and then I one of them was bothered by it and then I went and told the other two women hey she was bothered by it so I'm gonna let you all know what's occurred and that's where I got a lot of blowback people really upset that I was so open and transparent about it and my actions but I was just being honest I was like hey listen I can't hide this is what happens So you all should know. And that's where, of course, I became, you know, villain, everyone said, wow, could he just tell these women and do this publicly? And I was like, well, I had no choice. I couldn't tell him privately. There was no option to. And if I didn't tell him then, they were going to watch.

I mean, yeah, they would have made things simpler. But I just fell in love with three women. I mean, I genuinely fought it until I ended up happening. I fought it, fought it, fought it, then it happened. And I was like, well, this is where I'm at. I guess the show people are okay with this because that's the nature of the show. But people did not like how open I was about it and they thought I should have been more guarded and protected these women. And of course I could have done things better. But I didn't have the option to tell these women behind closed doors.

Yeah. And so I reconnected with one of them shortly after. And then we ended up dating for a year. And you know, that was the thing was the whole show is based around like they kind of it was camp Clayton versus Camp Suzy my ex. And because like we had a really tense moment in the show. And people took sides. But then we ended up together. And then people didn't like seeing us together. Because they were like, well, I kind of liked, you know, I was on Clayton side and now people like, well, I was on Susie side and so like there was already like, people didn't like us being together as one because we're like, hey, we're unified now. You should support us as a couple and people just couldn't get behind it. And now you don't talk to anyone. I don't keep in touch with Susie because she's in a relationship now. So I respect I don't. But I mean, I'm still friends with her. I would say.

I have a lot to learn.

That you shouldn't date multiple people once at least. I mean, it's different strokes with different folks. I shouldn't date that many people. I'll stick to one. That's simple enough. But, you know, again, it's a matter of, it's just, it just wasn't for me and I think it's pretty obvious.

That you just have to, I mean, everyone's a little bit different. I guess that's the way I can put it. It's like, well, let me ask you this.

I think for that experience, they were more driven to the fame that could come from. Okay. I was secondary. You were secondary to the majority.

I felt it. And I felt that I wasn't good enough because I always felt that way my entire life. And so that really just dug into me. And I was very insecure on the show because I thought, how many of these women actually really like me for me? And I thought the majority of them just wanted to be famous.

Um, uh, good question. Um, a little bit about, honestly, I think, I learned a lot.

I think I am more confused, but again, I think that was just an environment that I have to say, hey, listen, you can't attribute too much of the real world to this.

Yeah, so it kind of, it was put on hold with this whole thing because what happened was when the story first came out, so I had somebody that was putting, sending out email saying, hey, Clayton, would like to come speak at university. And I was starting to receive messages back saying, hey, we googled Clayton and we're seeing what's going on right now and we cannot bring him in with all this occurring. So it really put all that on hold. So I had to basically then just focus on real estate, which is what I do in solar sales. And so I just went down those avenues and said, OK, hey, eventually I'll return to this once I can clear my name. But right now, I'm just using my social media going podcast. I talk about mental health here and there. I would like to have a bigger role again in that realm. So I'm hoping to get back to that.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I'm trying to do is just get people to realize that it makes you stronger by being vulnerable. And so the more you talk about it, you actually bring others, you attract them, and you share the struggles with them, and you feel less alone, and it gives you hope. And that's what I found. So I want people to come out of the darkness and realize like, hey, I'm struggling with this, but it doesn't make you any less of a human. It makes you actually stronger to come out and say, hey, I'm struggling. right and to be vulnerable. And I know men struggle with this because there's this image of, you know, we got to put our hand in the dirt and just push through it all and be tough and be the protector. And so I want, you know, I'm wanting to get more men to speak openly about it, but what's been great is I've had a lot of women open up as well as I've been more vocal. So, you know, just working on continuing to get people to be more confident and sharing their truth. Because you keep seeing time and time again, people, there's just that goal for recently that took us all life. And it's like, what if he had just felt like he wasn't alive? He felt alone to some degree. I don't know this whole story, but, you know, if he had people that said, hey, you're not alone in this, I think, you know, I'm going to give him enough hope. I'm guessing he was hopeless to some degree. And it's his shame because he was so young. He had a lot of life to live.

I think it has a lot to do with comparison culture. So I think it's because everyone, we are so obsessed with social media and what we're seeing and we go online and we click on one person's profile and like, man, look at them, they have so much more than we have. And then what happens to algorithm feeds you, someone similar, so you click on that one, then that one, then that one, and then after about an hour, you've seen a hundred people that you think have a better life in you. And you start to say, well, my life is worthless. All these people are so much more successful than I am. And I think that's the big driver and it's just how bad these algorithms are with social media and what they push in front of people.

Now I've been, I mean, I was raised, Lutheran, and then now since I would say fall under non-denominational. And for me, of course, I leaned on my faith through all of this and just said, you know, hey, I have, you know, God's over me right now and he's watching over and ultimately, I'll see this through. He wouldn't put me into something that I couldn't, or God has a plan that's right. So I just had to keep relying on that. But I did, you know, again, I made a really bad mistake and I'm very open about this. When I went on the show, I came in terms of the fact that I didn't feel like it was a very godly show. And so I prayed one night to God, I said, God, I understand that this isn't very godly. So I wouldn't be upset if you step back. And I'm going to go through this experience. And I'll see you on the other side, I suppose, because I am going to go through with this big mistake. And I think you might have taken stuff like that. I'll give you that distance, but he was always there with me that entire time. When everything went south on the show actually I was driving back in the car back to the hotel and I saw the northern lights for the first time and I really felt like that was a sign that he was like I've never left you this entire time but a major you know human mistake on my part to say hey listen I'm going to show I don't think it's godly but I'm gonna do it Lord so I don't you know I wouldn't it doesn't hurt me or I understand if you have to take a step away because I just don't know how I can make this godly as I navigate through this environment

No, no, because it depends on how they're presenting themselves. I think at the end of the day, no, you should strive to be authentic. And if a fame becomes a by-product, then you'll always be grateful that you're able to be yourself and you're able to reach a larger audience. But if your whole goal is to be famous at any cost, you're gonna end up being an authentic and then when you get to that place you're gonna hate the fact that hey I have to now play to this audience and make it appear that I am this person that I'm not and you'll always feel this tension between you and who you perceive yourself to be to others so my advice is be authentically even if the fame comes great you know if you can help more people through what you're doing and do it but do not try to like be famous at all costs because you'll end up feeling that tension that entire time do you think most famous people are happy I would say no. I don't think so, because I think a lot of people are famous, but they're not authentic, but they've just come to terms with that and said, you know, this is who I have to be. I do think there are some, but I think the majority probably just saw an opportunity and said, okay, I'm going to become this person because I see an opportunity.

Yeah, it's a support me. I really just want people to look into the story. I want people to talk about it. Just keep eyes on it because, again, I think accountability comes through visibility. It certainly doesn't hurt. So I want people to share this story so that we're more likely to have accountability be had and justice to be served. Beyond that point again, then whatever happens afterwards, I'm no fortune tell. I don't know what's going to happen. I just hope I'm able to use this whole experience to help other people and use it.

Understand that you're not alone and and just go find your support system keep fighting yeah and keep fighting were there times and you wanted to give up absolutely yeah, there are many times where I said maybe I should just and things because I mean I kill yourself I had those thoughts yeah, that's your subtle thoughts and I wasn't the only one of the other victims that have had those thoughts as well and that's why I want to stop this from happening again. I don't want any man to ever feel like that

Again, I just want to be able to be a voice for those that feel like they don't have one. And I feel that I've done something very unique and I have the ability I'm very open and transparent. I think that vulnerability allows me to reach a large group of people. And so I hope that I'm able to continue helping as many people as I'm able to. Whether that's a thousand, ten thousand a million, I don't know. I don't care. I just want to be able to serve my purpose and I think my purpose is tied into being an advocate with mental health.