Transcript for Trans vs. Detrans: Charlie's Prove Me Wrong Table at San Diego State

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It is helping. Turn kids trans, yeah.

Well, so just one curious, you know, how many is Chloe call around here somewhere? Where's Chloe? I do know the number. Do you have any idea of how many, like, how dramatic the increase of trans identification is with youth in the last five years? It's up like 5,000%. That is correct. So do we think that TikTok is playing a role in normalizing or finding at risk autistic kids and making them think that they might have gender identification issues?

Not necessarily the algorithm is just pushing things that people want and it's obviously very persuasive content for a 14-year-old girl who's having puberty anxiety. shunned by her friends, and might not have a great relationship with her parents, spending six to seven hours on her phone, and all of a sudden, videos start popping up, saying, hey, have you ever felt uncomfortable in your body? Have you ever felt shunned by your peers? Let me tell you my story. My story is I was 15, and all of a sudden, I started taking testosterone. That's very persuasive content for at-risk at-risk youth. Chloe, how much is the increase of transgender in the last couple years?

By the way, this is Chloe Cole. She's a detransitioner, everybody. So she was sold the lie. Hello.

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Does it have any thousands of times a day in this country?

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It's a great question. They do some things really, really well. They actually regulate less than we do. According to the economic freedom index, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark are actually more economically free than we are. They do tax a lot. I'll give you that. One of the test cases is not applicable, which is Norway. Do you know what funds the Norwegian government? fossil fuels. They have a $1.7 trillion sovereign wealth fund. It's the largest on the planet, basically fracking on the northern part of Norway. So that's its own test case. So it's easy to have socialism when you fund your entire government in that regard. But the most instructive part of the Scandinavian countries is that they have they used to have incredibly strict immigration. And they don't any longer. And when you have widespread mass immigration, you're going to have issues. And so as far as from a budgetary standpoint, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, for years, they had to not pay anything for a national military because we subsidized them via NATO and basically having military bases all across Europe. So they saved a bunch of money on that. They had a very homogenous population. And so they were able to restrict immigration flows. They had a high trust society, not because of homogeneity, because there are homogeneity countries that don't have high trust societies, like a lot of African countries. But a high trust society is a society where you don't feel like you have to lock your doors. You can basically leave your kid out in the street. when you go shopping. If you think that's a joke, by the way, in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Oslo and Helsinki, it is common practice for moms to leave their kids outside, literally in the stroller why they go shopping, or they go in eat. It is common, you see it all the time, if you walk the streets of Scandinavia. That's like an unforeseen concept in America, right? So that's a high trust society. We have a low trust society. So I think the story, the Scandinavia's far more complex than people would give it, but I'll grant you that they have higher taxation and much more generous social benefits than we do in this country.

Yeah, I'm not wanting to tell them how to run their country. I mean, it depends what kind of country you want. And so they have a different ethos in Sweden and in Norway and Finland than we do. They do not have like the Swedish dream. They have a belief called tall poppy syndrome, specifically in the Netherlands, but it's also in Denmark, which is that no one is greater than all of us. It's very collectivist. Some people like that. I don't. I want to be able to flourish and succeed and take big risks. And I didn't have the best part about liberty. Liberty is not a core value of Scandinavia. So, it depends on what kind of country you want. They want stability, and they want normalcy, and they want, and some of that, honestly, I think we're missing in this country. I think our country is way too chaotic, and it's out of control. I think we can learn something about, you know, not taking work as seriously in this country, which I happen to love work, but not everyone's, you know, wired that way. But I also, one of the other reasons why they're such a happy country, they have low crime. and low crime leads to happier people. It does. You're able to walk the streets at night. You don't have to worry about locking your doors all the time and having these complex security systems. And then finally, it is not fair to say they are only happy because of government benefits. I'm sure that's part of it, but they also have different incentives and different structures. I'm sure if I want to run the audience here, some of you guys want to start your own business and get rich and do all these sorts of things. That's not really a normal Norwegian aspiration. In fact, there's only one billion there in the entire country of Norway. There's one. Right? We have what 485 of them. I'm not saying that's a good thing or bad thing. I'm just saying when you get liberty, you get inequality. So one of the life lessons is you cannot have liberty without inequality. And if you think you can, you're wrong. And so you have to accept the, you have to accept unequal outcomes if you have freedom or liberty. I hope that answered your question.

That's great. Yeah. But awesome. Thank you for the correction. I appreciate it.

Let's just take one element of it. I mean, a fraction of that number are people that are basically in modern-day slavery. And we're lectured all the time that slavery was the worst thing in the 18, 7, 1800s. And it was, it's evil. Where is the outrage for modern-day slavery happening on the southern border? It is indecisurable when you have an eight-year-old that's coming from Honduras that is purchased by a cartel, and they're trafficked into this country either for sex or labor reasons, and they're legitimately purchased and transacted. I don't see a lot of protests on campus about that. I see a lot of protests against Israel, but I don't see a lot of anger against the modern day slave trade happening on the southern border. Or, and you guys can come take a drive down to the southern border if you want with us any time. You know, you know, visit the rape tree right there in the Hollis where every day there are hundreds of women that are brought to the rape tree and they're raped by cartel members and then they're brought across the border. Anyone who comes illegally as a female, they know you better, you better travel with Plan B. because you will get raped two to three times on that voyage across. The Biden administration is subsidizing this. They are allowing it to happen. It is one of the great social crimes of our time and complete silence from the media and from the activist class.

Um, boy, uh, start a business. Uh, it depends on what it is, but look, I think we need more entrepreneurs and more business owners in this country to be honest. Um, the, find a problem that people have. So here's the best way to get rich. It's super simple. Um, find something that someone's complaining about all the time and then solve their problem. That's how you get rich. Absolutely. Because people are willing to pay money to have their problem solved. Thank you so much. Thank you. The world is in flames and binomics is a complete and total disaster. But it can't and won't ruin my day. Why? Because I start my day with a hot America first cup of blackout coffee. It's 100% America and 0% grift. Blackout coffee is 100% committed to conservative values from sourcing the beans to the roasting process, customer support and shipping. The embody true American values and accept no compromise on taste or quality. Look, you got to check out right now, blackoutcoffee.com slash Charlie or use coupon code Charlie for 20% off your first order. That is blackoutcoffee.com slash Charlie, be awake not woke. That's blackoutcoffee.com slash Charlie. Check it out promo code Charlie.

Here from different ideas and see where we agree and disagree.

Um, conservative ones, traditional American ones?

I think there's only two sexes, no genders, infinite personalities. Life begins at conception. We should deport all the illegals, right? The MRNA gene altering shock called a vaccine killed a lot of people and is currently poising a lot of people. So these are just some my opinions.

Yeah, I mean, I hope that number, number one, I want to support our amazing turning point USA chapter here, where they feel outnumbered and isolated. Number two, we're promoting our event tonight, so I hope you guys show up. Where's our event? It's like in the Montezuma Hall or something? Yeah, it's great. Montezuma Hall, Montezuma would ever. And number three is, I want to see where I might be wrong, strength my arguments, and anybody can say anything to me. I think that free speech is the last best hope we have in Western society.

Yeah. Can you just so I know where you're coming from?

Good, we agree. Yeah, so as far as women's rights, I don't separate rights based on sex. So you have to tell me what you mean based on that.

No, no, no, I mean there's male female differences, but there are no male rights or what can you give me an example of?

Yeah, so for example, men are more likely to commit suicide, more likely to die at work, more likely to declare bankruptcy. Women are far less likely to be in credit card debt, far more likely to graduate from college, far more likely to get a high paying job.

And I think it's the opposite. I think that we're teaching men to be metrosexual versions of their former selves.

In decipherable between a man and woman. So, what's the man and woman to you?

Well, a man is, and you're looking at a man, and I think I'm looking at a woman if I'm not mistaken. Nice, yeah. That was funny. Yeah, thank you. There's characteristics, archetypes, but we have differences. Yeah. There are significant male female differences, I think. Well, men tend to be more assertive, women tend to be more agreeable. Well, just for example, if we look at artificial intelligence scanned over 10,000 brains using a spec scan. Yeah. And was able to determine male female differences 95% of the time of different brain functions based on basal canlea, amygdala, cerebellum.

Have you ever raised kids?

You couldn't be more wrong. If you're even around a two-year-old boy and two-year-old girl, it's not a matter of what they're taught. The girls are running to the dresses, the boys are running to the guns. You know who agrees with me? One of the leading feminists to the 60s and 70s glorious time and who wrote feminists mistake. Yes. And even she, who is like a hardcore genderist taught when she raised her kids. She was like, oh my goodness, there is a fundamental innate difference between men and woman. And it's not just brain structure. It's testosterone, it's estradiol, estrogen production, it is hormone levels, it is, and I could just prove it. If you sit down to a young, with a young lady, they're far more likely to talk about micro topics and men are more likely to talk about macro topics. What's the difference between my grandmother? Great question. So if I sat down with a young lady, she'd be much more likely to talk about friends, relationships, and things that are very intimate to her. A young man, we more likely to talk about the weather, sports, or the stock market, or politics. And that's not taught that is innate into our bio-programming.

How we were designed?

I mean, I believe that there's a creator that designed us and that we're fearfully and wonderfully made. And you might not agree. I would just say how you were born. I could even say just the come to common ground on that.

Well, not just separate roles, but made differently and out of being made differently, you get different roles.

But science has done the opposite. So for example, in a Harvard study, they put 50 women in a room alone, and they put 50 men in the room alone. What age? Not relevant, but around 25, right?

Okay. So if you really, I'm fascinated you think that eight-year-olds brains are infinitely neuroplastic, but we'll get to that back then. No, no.

But again, if you were right, John Money would have been proven right, but we'll get to that later. So, which, that test is in replicated so many times. And even the Dutch who are like the most progressive on this have gotten away from the idea of Tabula Ross so that boys and girls are born similarly with brain differences. But we'll agree to discreta. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here. Did you know that 80% of adults take supplements to feel our best, right? Well, one thing your dog can't do without you is improve their diet or health to feel their best. That is why I believe rough greens could dramatically help your best friend by adding what is missing to their diet like you do. Rough greens is helping thousands and thousands of dogs feel better and live longer, including my dog, Mr. Briggs, who loves it. Naturopathic Dr. Dennis Black who created Rough Greens is also an airborne ranger and green beret, an amazing background. He loves dogs and is on a mission to help as many as he can. Dog food is dead, and Rough Greens supplements your dogs food with existing vitamins and minerals. Omega oils, digestive enzymes, probiotics, and antioxidants. Dr. Black is offering you a free jumpstart trial bag to affect your free jumpstart trial bag. Just cover shipping. Don't change your dog's food. Just go to ruffgreens.com-sachecurc.rufgreens.com-sachecurc. But anyway, 25-year-olds were put into a room, okay? And they said, man, what do you think about when they're alone? No surprise, sports and sex, right? Young ladies, what do you think about the room alone for 30 minutes to just by themselves? They replayed prior conversations that they had. For the record, no man in the history of the species has replayed conversations that we had and thought about them when we were alone in a room. What conversation was this person said? Women are far more relational, micro, than men, and that's just based on how our design is.

I'm sure there's a man somewhere that wrote recollected on a conversation.

Yes, humor is a tool of a red iteration to try to get people, you know, to chuckle a little levity. So, yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Let me ask you a question. Do you think testosterone and estrogen play into people's ability to have drive and vision, feelings, and do you think testosterone and estrogen are important?

Okay, so then if women are lower in testosterone and higher in estrogen and men are lower in estrogen and higher in testosterone, wouldn't that independent of society's framing play into the idea that there are natural differences between the two?

Aggressive. Aggressive, yes. I'll take aggressive. Yeah, thank you.

I'm not contesting that. The mark of a true man is one who can control himself. Do you think that you could all, do you think there's a problem of trying to turn women to masculine?

Well, let's just say, not agreeable, forceful, aggressive, aggressive in the best possible term, forward-thinking, more macro, more visionary, less feeling-based, more rational, more yearning towards reason and dialogue and less towards compassion or the ethos.

The inverse of that, so more on the emotion side, less macro, more micro.

No, they're different sides of species coin, right? So you have human species, you have male and female. Yeah. And there's differences. So I could also posit it separately. A woman is more compassionate, a man is less compassionate. So I could, there's two ways to word it, but do you think that there's a problem about trying to force women to be too masculine?

Okay, well I disagree. We have we have a crisis in this country. Why do I'm curious? Why do you think that we have so many unmarried young 30 something women? It's the most in the history of recorded data.

Why do you think that it's the young women are the most depressed alcohol addicted and psychiatric drug addicted in history?

Oh yeah, the most miserable they've ever been. I'm just curious, why do you think that is?

So women going into the workforce a lot could create a lot of depression for them.

Okay, but then shouldn't women, like, I don't know, stay at home and have children and deal with their design to do men are all so have the more most depression that they have right now in this country. We can make the same idea from them. You know, you know, just made for women. I'm asking questions. I'm saying, maybe the men are upset because the women that they're trying to date are more interested in taking care of cats and trying to become partner at the local law firm. And they say, I don't want to get married till I'm 30. And maybe that creates a sense of despondency when a young male being raised in this country sees everything rigged against them.

Of course, I think I believe in liberty. I'm just asking, has there been an unintended tragedy where we have the most financially successful 30 to 35 year old cohort of young women in history? Well, again, the women.

Yeah, but the women are far more depressed in the men. The men are depressed.

They're more suicidal. And they're largely more suicidal. So they're more suicidal, but they're less depressed. No, they're more successful at committing suicide than women. That's a big difference. Women try to commit suicide more. And yet, women will go through three or four attempts in suicide attempts, men usually only want. You can look it up. It's just the way it is. But I'm just curious, what is it about the 30 to 35-year-old female? Do you think there might be something missing? Do you think that there is like this biological urge to get married and procreate that we might have been suppressing? Because it is the least child. It's the childless, least married cohort in the history of the country.

Do you think we should encourage it more for young women?

What are not that means, Mary? Last question, you positive this, how would you define the patriarchy?

Or just like if do you believe it exists in the country today?

You used to be addicted though. Yeah. Well, could I? I encourage everyone to break free of that addiction.

Yeah, I thank you for that. Yeah. First on the porn thing, 85% of people that consume porn are men, so they're obviously going to shoot it in a way that is more attuned to men, for example.

Then they would change the perspective because they're in it to make money. The same reason why lifetime movies don't have rock and roll music, and they tend to be very like uplifting, flowery, emotional based, and hyperfeminine in the writing, because most people watch lifetime movies are women.

Okay, a lifetime movie is like a field movie on cable TV that has a very poorly written narrative and usually ends in some sort of overlaid work. Yeah, like that's the best way I could I could. God it. But thank you for the dialogue. I appreciate it.

Thank you. Good luck. Thanks. We'll take a couple more than I got to run. And then tonight Montezuma.

Um, I don't know. Yeah, you guys should all purport prepared. You got enough to worry about an electromagnetic pulse very well. My putt coming very soon. It's very scary. So I would say that it's increasing by the day. So. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. And then any other disagreements and then we'll cut it off. Yes. Super nice. So I can tell you.

how would you deal with that would you just you know kindly don't come come in from like a Christian perspective yeah I would send them home I would do yeah yeah I mean first of all they're invading and they're breaking the law I mean if they're like if for example someone's coming across the border and they had a gashing like head wound I would treat it I'd get them help right and then I'd get them deported back to their country of origin. I wouldn't try to hurt them bodily. I wouldn't try to be cruel and usual about it. I'd say, look, you're breaking the law. You're cutting in line. You're trying to squat in our country. Go apply like the rest of the people from Singapore, Vietnam, Hungary, India, and South Africa have to do. You don't get to cut in line just because you get to live closer.

Appreciate it. All right. Look, thanks guys. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody email us as always. Freedom at charlaker.com. Thanks so much for listening. God bless.