Transcript for Ask Charlie Anything 189: Will Butker Survive? How To Learn Better? Pick A Veep ASAP?
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00:00 - 00:48
Hey everybody, the AMA asked me anything where if you are a member at members. Charlie Kirk dot com members. Charlie Kirk dot com. You get to submit your questions, Blake Neth, and I take them for you guys submitted some great ones. Really embracing the fact that I'm hosting right now along with Blake. While Charlie's way, he's going to be back on Monday. But there's some great questions here. We get into the behind the scenes of the Charlie Kirk show. What is really like how we come up with topics, how we do research, how we retain information, This is a really hands-on episode. I love doing it. If you want to be a part of this show next week, if you want to ask Charlie questions, join members. Charlie Kirk dot com. That's members. Charlie Kirk dot com. Hopefully you take us up on that and join our growing community of Charlie Kirk exclusive members. So buckle up. Here we go.
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03:07 - 03:47
I'm joined by the esteemed The one and only Blake Neff, one of the other producers on the show. Welcome, welcome, Blake. I'm a steamed now. Yes, you are. Of course you are. Oh, man. You're also one of the hosts of Thought Crime, Thought Crime Thursdays. Sort of one of our anchors of that show. So Blake, I'm going to, you know, kick it to you. You get the first one here. So this is a, I guess from Bill, I have a question not relating to being producers, but still curious, do you think the chiefs will release Harrison Butker? I am not sure what the rules are regarding firing football players, is that something you can Fire someone for Bill.
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03:47 - 05:22
I like the wording. I like the wording you fire. It would be more fun than the NFL if they said that if they were just said, you know, the packers have fired their defensive tackle. But so the term they use, it would be released so you can release an NFL player. NFL contracts are not guaranteed like they aren't required to keep you on the roster if they don't want you around. They sometimes have guaranteed money and there are penalties for getting rid of you. What I will say is I think it's pretty unlikely the chiefs will do that this will go away eventually the chiefs have just not commented on it directly the NFL put out a short statement, but it's definitely not on the level where they would just get rid of him and on the plus side he is a good he is a good kicker. He is good at his job. He has one of the highest career accuracy levels of any kicker in in NFL history. Interestingly, I'm spacing on his name. I want to check this. I think it's Justin, is it Justin Tucker? Justin Tucker is the kicker of the of the Baltimore Ravens, and he's also, I believe, a super Catholic kicker. There's seem to be this like Kabal of highly accurate, super Catholic kickers in the NFL. But now I think he'll be able to keep his job. I think this will go away. He'll be fine. His jersey is selling really well right now. I've seen it's both men and women's varieties. So I think a lot of women are perfectly fine with what he had to say. I'm glad we saw a lot of people stick up for him. But I would not, unless something abruptly changes, I don't see this turning into him getting booted out of the NFL or anything stupid like that.
SPEAKER_01
05:22 - 06:27
No, I agree with you. And I think the tie to sort of turned, I think he's getting a lot of support now. And I'm telling you, organizations watch Jersey sales like a hawk. So for example, when the Dodgers signed show, Hey, Otani, to a $700 million contract, not only did they defer a lot of that until after the contract was over to help save cap space, but that's a ton of money for one team to put up for one player. Why did they do it? Well, guess what? They made about a third of that up on your one jersey sales. That's how insane it can be. Well, especially with somebody like show, hey, I mean, he's an international talent. So he's selling jerseys in Japan and Korea. So The fact that his jersey is selling his popularity as it is, and to Blake's point, he's the number one, I think female fit jersey in the NFL right now. That's going to make a ton of money for the chiefs and listen, he didn't say anything that was truly wrong. Even if you're a, put your mind set on as a left-winger for a minute, you can't actually say he did anything
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06:28 - 07:13
that wrong right what I have and you know what I really appreciate it is people obviously is truly said nothing wrong but I've appreciated that people relatively quickly realized wait a minute the NFL has multiple like criminals who have no problem being on teams we have players like Tyre Kill who are in trouble with the law all the time. And if you can get 1600 yards and catch 10 touchdowns, a team will hire you, as long as you aren't, you know, literally incarcerated for murder. Then they'll usually get rid of you if you commit murder, usually. Ray Lewis, people that off. And so, like, I'm just appreciating the public's ability to push back on just rank BS when they try to push narratives like this on us.
SPEAKER_01
07:13 - 07:44
Well, in Charlie actually wrote an op-ed for the blaze about this. The blaze asked Charlie to do it because Charlie put up a tweet about it. And I just texted with the team over the blaze and said, how well did this do this? I was one of our top performers. Like people are really into this story. And by the way, here's one other clue that they're not going to get rid of Harrison Butker. This is the daughter of the chief's owner, apparently. I think her name's Gracie Hunter. and she just went on Fox and defended him play cut to a seven.
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07:44 - 07:52
We're going to start with you because of the couch would like to know as America would. The reaction from the hunt family regarding the kicker Harrison
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07:53 - 08:12
Well, I can only speak from my own experience, which is I've had the most incredible mom who had the ability to stay home and be with us as kids during that. And I understand that there are many women out there who can't make that decision, but for me in my life, I know it was really formative and shaping me in my siblings to be who we are.
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08:12 - 08:14
So you understood what he was talking about?
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08:14 - 08:19
For sure. And I really respect Harrison and his Christian faith and what he's accomplished on and off the field.
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08:20 - 08:42
Well, that's a pretty incredible clip. I mean, that is the daughter of the owner defending his Christian faith and defending a woman like her mother who stayed home to be with, you know, the kids and raise the family. I mean, it's, it's, I would say that Harrison Bakker is in no danger of getting released from the chiefs. Would you agree? Like, yeah.
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08:42 - 08:53
Final thought. it would be really dumb if they released him over something like this I think people are I think it's good that they're worried but I don't think there's any chance that it'll happen he'll be in he'll be fine
SPEAKER_01
08:56 - 09:05
So my question is, how did Blake and Andrew meet Charlie and how did they start working for T.P. Thanks for all you do. Trish. I don't work for T.P.
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09:05 - 09:07
Yeah.
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Yeah. I work for that. Yeah.
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09:09 - 09:13
I just clarify that just before. Make sure we don't get in trouble with anyone. But I work for it.
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09:13 - 09:13
Yeah.
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09:13 - 09:15
So that's true. Which is not turning point.
SPEAKER_01
09:15 - 11:23
Right. So we actually, yeah, the show exists and there's a media company that exists outside of turning point. And that's really Simple reason why turning point USA is a 501c3. It's nonpartisan. Yeah, it's conservative conservative ideas conservative values principles philosophies But it does not endorse candidates a lot of people don't understand this turning point TP USA turning point USA Does not endorse candidates it doesn't endorse political parties It's completely unaffiliated with all that now. There is something called turning point action, which is the 501c4 which has a scorecard, which judges the way people vote in Congress and in the Senate. It endorses political candidates. It endorses presidential candidates. It's actively involved in chasing ballots. So it's a whole different thing. I met Charlie. My career took me from Hollywood. I was working with Mark Burnett and Roma Downey launching TV shows and you know, Mark Burnett does survivor and he does the voice and he does shark tank and then he did the Bible series 80, the Bible continues and they sort of said, hey, who here is Christian can help us launch these Christian things and it was Hollywood, so I was like the only one. So next thing I know I'm going around Hollywood with in the country with Mark Burnett and launching the Bible series and 80, the Bible continues and Ben Hur And then launched a PR company after that, and then somehow we got connected with Charlie, and I ended up working with PragerU and the Blaze, and turning point USA. And then from there, I went on to Charlie and I got closer to business, and we launched this podcast, and we launched the radio show. And now we simultaneously cast on Real America's voice for the first two hours, and it's been a massive, massive success. So that's how I met Charlie's through my work in Hollywood. I was connected with a lot of press. I wanted to help Charlie with his press and then it kind of became a whole thing. So Blake, how do you know Charlie?
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11:24 - 12:23
to any of us really know Charlie. So I was, obviously I was at Fox until 2020 and then events unfolded, which you can read about on the internet. And so I was working in a variety of independent roles. And then in would have been about October, 22, about a month before the midterms. So there's a woman who works at turning point named Marina. And I knew her from when I worked at Fox. And so they needed a new producer role on the Charlie Kirk Show. So she, this is my understanding. Anyway, she recommended me to Andrew. So Andrew just called me out of the blue. He's like, oh, I'm late. And Andrew with the Charlie Kirk Show. And I'm like, hi. And he goes, hey, do you want to work for us? And I was like, Sure, I guess and that was pretty much it. I was about the length of my job interview and then I suppose I met Charlie for the first time. Oh, yeah, it was out of America. I met America fast about two months later. So I did come down for that.
SPEAKER_01
12:23 - 12:30
Yeah, but I there was other people trying to get Blake to work for him and I had to like elbow him off. So we won't we don't have to get into that but it's fine.
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12:33 - 13:37
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13:37 - 13:48
Question from Bruce who picks the podcast bumper music and where can I get the playlist? I don't know if we have Michael if he's if he's visible or not, but I think he's just in the studio.
SPEAKER_02
13:48 - 14:12
He's just in the studio, but he says, uh, you can go to artlist.io and it's it's just royalty free music. We used to play real songs more often. And then I think we got one of those, you know, slaps on the wrist where you have to pay $10,000 because he used someone song too much or something. And so off it was to the royalty free music land, but I agree a lot of it's quite.
SPEAKER_01
14:13 - 15:04
This is maybe two in the weeds, but for radio, you can play, if it's just radio only, you can play certain types of music, more of the popular stuff that you would be with here on the radio, songs you would know. Once we started, a simulcasting on Real America's Voice and Salem News Channel, then that became a licensing issue. So yeah, Michael does a great job with that, so hat tip to Michael. If you're watching, I believe you are. Next question from Boot Bruce. We don't have to say too long on this because we've actually covered it before, but scouting America sent a couple emails of this last week. I'm an active adult volunteer and I believe it's not totally ruined and can and should be saved. That was the second question from Bruce. Blake, what do you think? Can scouting America formally boy scouts of America? Can it be saved? Is it worth sticking in there?
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15:06 - 16:55
I'm not involved with it at the time, so I think it would be arrogant of me to just say, oh, it can't be saved. What I would say is the trajectory, everything I have seen in terms of its trajectory for the past 10 years has been bad, and I feel what they've disproportionately done is driven out the people. who were some of the biggest value additions to scouting. They got a lot of the churches to leave, a lot of the people affiliated with those churches stepped away. I certainly know that a lot of people who were heavily involved in scouting when I was growing up and becoming legal scouts stepped away because they were very upset about these changes. I couldn't be saved. I don't want to say it's impossible. Everything's possible. What I would wonder is what's the mechanism that would cause that to happen? And a lot of the things that have made it that have damaged it strike me is basically irreversible. Like I don't I can't imagine Boy Scouts going back to mean all boys like they've they've letting girls there heavily girls now you're not just gonna kick you know 200,000 girls out of scouting. So if you want Scouting as it was in the way Charlie and I praised it as a positive, all-male environment for young men. I think you're going to have to look to alternative organizations that people are creating. I don't know which ones are the best. I know there's several options. But I do think if you want to restore the best parts of scouting as it was, you're probably going to have to look to something that's not the literal boy scouts of America. But I don't want to say that it's worthless. I'm sure there are many troops that are good. I'm sure there are many programs that are good. I'm sure they still teach a lot of good values. I don't think it's a stretch to say that it will go back to what it was in anything short of basically a miracle.
SPEAKER_01
16:56 - 20:01
Yeah, I have two thoughts on this real quick. I was not a boy scout like Charlie and Blake. However, organizationally, you can see these, this happened in lots of different organizations, organizations that are not expressly conservative, tend to drift liberal over time. It's just, it's like a law of nature. But I will say, Bruce, if you're involved at a local level, you absolutely have the ability to ensure that your local troop is conservative, that it is, holds these traditional values and that upholds the the way scouting's been done for a long time. And the second thought is the only way that you get Boy Scouts back in scouting America's saved organization at a macro level is to get new leadership in and somebody that has the courage to radically about face and say listen it wasn't it wasn't broke. We didn't need to fix it. We actually broke it by trying to do this thing. So we're going back to the way it was. If you get bold leadership in there, I mean, I think it's worth praying for because I think the Boy Scouts of America truly that important to some of these formative years for young men like Charlie and Blake and turning them into the men that they've become. So I hope, you know, I'm going to hope for it. I'm going to pray for it. And so you should absolutely keep trying. But yeah, there are alternatives that are popping up whether any of those could match the level and scope that Boy Scouts reached is a big question. Another question from Beth, do either of you enjoy hosting? How do you decide who gets to host when Charlie is away? Do I like hosting? I do like hosting. I can tell you that I have about five other jobs that I also have to do during the day. So adding show prep, there is a level of show prep that you have to do when you host as opposed to produce. It's deeper. You have to, you have to know the details more intimately you have to kind of understand where you're going to go you have to map it out so you end up I think this morning I got up at five thirty and I started working on on show prep and what I wanted to do with the show today so it's a lot more work actually and you know I for those of you watching to understand what Charlie does on a daily basis I'm maybe one of the few people that has eyes on just how intense that preparation is. Charlie runs two organizations, you know, about $150 million a year. He's in charge of 500 staff, not to mention the team that we have here. So there's a lot of responsibilities on Charlie's shoulders on a daily basis and to also host a radio show, deal with donors, deal with politicians, leaders, organizations that are all Uh, sort of clamoring for his time is a truly herculine and feet that he pulls off every day and I just get a small glimpse of that when I when I host so I will say, yes, I enjoy it, but it is a lot. It's a it's a ton of work when we take it really seriously and, um, you know, thankfully Blake is also on the team and does a great job helping us prep for each show. Like, do you like being on, uh, behind the microphone?
SPEAKER_02
20:01 - 20:12
Yeah. I don't know. I think it's pretty easy to just run your mouth on whatever. Like, whatever. Just express your opinion on things. So nice. Well, thank you. You got crime. Yeah, of course. Yeah. We just got crime.
SPEAKER_01
20:12 - 21:36
You got crime. And like I said, you're kind of the anchor of thought crime. You, you helped to determine a lot of the directions, what's that, which that show goes. And for those of you don't know, we, we stream it live on rumble on Thursday nights. And then we released it on the podcast on Saturdays. And so it's, you know, that's a show that's more conversational, having Blake on, you know, even on these AMAs makes it somehow, sometimes more fun because we can just kind of banter back and forth and I can key off something he says and vice versa. So I think that's really fun. As far as how we choose who guest hosts when Charlie's away, I mean, I'm kind of the guest host, Charlie just says, hey, you're hosting and I, you know, and then I do it. So there's that. And I was actually, it's funny enough, backstory. Before we launched into radio I was actually I don't know if auditioning is the right word, but I was auditioning I guess for a job To guest host a radio show in Los Angeles with Salem part of their morning show. They ended up going with Grant Stinchfield, so he's so I don't like him. I'm kidding. It's fine. I like him just fine. He's great So I don't know. It's something that I was a rush baby. I grew up with radio. I love radio. I love the microphone. I love the medium. And I know Charlie does too. That's why I went into it. So anyways, I hope that answers your question. Blake, do you want to take the next one?
SPEAKER_02
21:37 - 22:33
All right. What's a pretty fast one? Let's see. How about this one? How do you this is from Josiah? How do you go about choosing partners for the show? How much of a say does Charlie have in the sponsors and does he use them? I can definitely say he uses them. We actually have all of the the sponsor products like lying around the office in sometimes amusing spots. I've definitely seen like strong cell pop up like occasionally Charlie's assistant will just be like like want a strong cell and I'll sometimes I'll take it although I like to joke that the only strong cell I want is the one that Hillary Clinton should be in but uh... it's no Charlie Charlie is a big strong he definitely endorses that product he endorses a lot of the uh... the supplements and stuff that uh... he does he does he markets he definitely is a real believer in all of those he does drink the coffee that we advertise Black flag.
SPEAKER_01
22:33 - 23:18
Let me say this too because I'm often involved in those conversations. We say no to a bunch like a bunch a bunch of sponsors that come up. I would say the majority we say no to so yes Charlie believes in the products and we have a there's a whole meat and Greek get to know you process before we bring a sponsor on so rest assured they've been vetted and we do endorse them Andrew and Blake Are there certain topics some people on the team are more well versed in than others? How do you decide who takes the lead on what Brad? Blake is our resident expert on European history and the various What do you, I don't even know, calm region states districts of Germany and Mexico.
SPEAKER_02
23:18 - 24:31
Oh yeah, all of that. I like to think I'm also the one who always has to go and like read the bill whenever there's like some 500 page thing that's up or I always enjoy when I get to bring up the strange aspects of the election process or the primary process. It of course, it seems to get more convoluted every single election cycle. So I get to do a lot of that stuff. Definitely, I feel like if we're going to assign anyone to become an expert on something, it's usually me. Obviously Andrew, you're really knowledgeable about media production, the actual industry. What Charlie himself is the most knowledgeable on, frankly, his politics. He knows all of the lawmakers. He knows the donors. He talks to them a lot and he texts with them a lot. He has all of those communications going on all of the time and he's just been in the thick of it since he was 18 basically and so he has that level of experience that is just otherwise unheard of for someone who's his age and he's only growing in that constantly so he's definitely just the biggest personal level expert on that on this staff for that sort of thing
SPEAKER_01
24:32 - 25:45
Yeah, and I would say Blake, you have a brain of a kind of almost like a lawyer. Yeah, you almost went a lot of times went to law school. But you do Blake is the guy that's on all the chats with all the like lawyers and the legal nerds and the kind of you had you're on those group chats. I'm on a lot of group chats with like influencers and reporters and that decent number of lawmakers as well. And we're trying to stay and stay in touch with a lot of those things. And I'm constantly getting pitched stories from a lot of people. So I have to kind of do preliminary investigation of if something's interesting or if it's catchy. And then I really tend to be very, I'm very hard-lined when it comes to immigration. So that's one of my pet issues, immigration and then election integrity. A lot of the COVID stuff I'll play point on. I think that's kind of a good rundown of our skillset. And again, if you want obscure random European history, you know, Blake, Blake is your guy. Blake say something random about like the Vikings or something or like the like what's something random that you've learned recently that's actually interesting.
SPEAKER_02
25:46 - 26:35
Oh man, um, one I picked up yesterday while I was actually I was in the I was in our gym and I was playing the Revolutions podcast and so it was talking about the English Revolution all over Cromo and all of that Oliver Cromo wanted to dissolve Parliament and but the law said that Parliament had to sit for five months and it hadn't been five months yet, but Oliver Cromo was a genius so he said the law doesn't say whether it's You know, a calendar month or a lunar month. And so, you know, a lunar month is, you know, about four weeks, so it's a bit shorter than a full month. So he came out and he said, five lunar months have passed. And I am firing Parliament. And so that's what he did. And you got away with it. They also tried to ban Christmas. And the war on Christmas in 1650 was just as unpopular as the war on Christmas is today.
SPEAKER_01
26:35 - 26:39
See, Remin, Blake and his random, his random history.
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26:42 - 27:46
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27:46 - 27:54
Okay, this is Kim. Oh wait, you had one Blake that you wanted to get to. Hold on, let me bring this up. You can go ahead and take it if you want Blake.
SPEAKER_02
27:55 - 30:30
Yeah, we'll do that because so Josiah he asked about our sponsors, but he also asked, how have you learned to retain so much information and do you have tips and tricks for the process? As an entrepreneur, I find it hard to see the return on investment for study or learning. I'd rather be doing hands-on work because of the direct results. Well, hands on work is a type of study in learning. I'm definitely not going to decorate that at all. I often wish I did more of that. The trick for learning more information. There's two levels of this one. You just passively pick up a lot. If you just read a lot, it's hard for me to say that that's a process because I just, I organically do it a lot. I know Charlie organically does that a lot. There's a lot of merit to reading things. Once you see something four or five times, it's going to be a lot more ingrained than if you just try to remember it once. I have it I've picked up in the last few years. I like to underline and write in my books. I usually do read physical books. So I just underline anything that stands out to me. And then if I want to revisit or remember something that was important to me in a book, I just pick it up and I scan through it and I read what I bother to highlight. And that's a good way to quickly get it back. I have a friend who is the best memorized, he's the best learner I know, he's able to accumulate huge amounts of information. He swears by, uh, there's a smartphone program called ANKEANKI. I don't know if it's ANKEA. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it the right way, but it's basically a phone flashcard app. And you can just build hundreds, thousands of flashcards. And he argues that It's essentially a solved scientific question how to learn things. You can build these decks and you just, it knows the right amount of time to remind you of things so it'll quiz you about it five times the first week and then once a week for a while after that and then it's down to you know once every six months to keep it fresh in your brain. So if you really are serious about trying to learn as much as possible, figure out how to use that app. I know medical students do it, lawyer studying them for the bar, do it. If you really need to internalize a huge amount of information, there are tricks you can use. But if you're just more casual, It's, you know, don't waste your time. Like, I read a lot of books. I, you know, I enjoy reading junk food books occasionally that are just pulpy sci-fi. But most of the time, what I'm reading is has some sort of knowledge or take away that I would find useful. And when you're doing that a lot all of the time, you just pick up a lot of knowledge along the way.
SPEAKER_01
30:30 - 30:36
Blake, where do you get your inspiration for the books you read? I mean, it's just group chats.
SPEAKER_02
30:36 - 31:58
Yeah, I get a lot of recommendations from my friends and it's often what I read next is just I could be more structured about this. I know some people who are extremely structured about what they choose to read. Most of this is just what strikes me at the time. I have a perpetually large backlog of books. So I end up getting books and then, you know, I've moved on by the time, you know, maybe I get five books that appealed to me on a topic. I read two of them and then I decide I've moved on to a new thing and then I might go back to those other ones later. I try to read as much as I can, but I'd still like to read more. I read more in about 2018. It helps if you are going to try to read something, take your phone and put it in a different room. Don't not even put it aside. Put it in a different room. You can even buy boxes that you can lock it in and set it so you literally can't open it. Don't do this if you're a doctor or something where they're going to need you. study show that if you even have a phone in the same room as you and you know it's there it distracts your focus you always want to look at it so you literally want to train your brain to be able to resist the phone to ignore the phone and if you do that very consistently you'll find it a lot easier to read books without getting distracted over and over again and so your your page per hour productivity will be a lot better
SPEAKER_01
32:00 - 36:20
I learned through doing, I'm more of a kinetic learner, so I resonate with Josiah. Because of my job, oftentimes I have to write things down, so I'll research something, I'll write something, and by the way, having to summarize your learning is a great way to kind of get to the point of figuring out what you believe about them. So I would recommend that I know it's kind of like doing a book report, but I happen to have a job where that happens a lot. So I'm benefit in that way. Let's go to another question here. This is from Kim Hi there. I'm a member and I love watching the episodes without ads. My question is from being producers. Do you see messages or data on the back end that points to things looking up for the next generation or the next election? Do you see more people gravitating toward conservative media? I'll take the point on this if you want to follow up Blake. I would say Conservative media is absolutely growing. A lot of the incumbent powers in the media sphere have had massive layoffs. They've seen a decline in viewership. And by the way, the old way of consuming media, whether that be through Fox or anything on TV and there's nothing against Fox, that that way is slowly dying. I had there was one mega influencer I was talking to yesterday called it a zombie. And make no mistake when Trump is off the scene, which is going to be inevitable. You are going to see broadcast media take a huge step back. And what's happening now is that people are consuming a lot more content over YouTube, rumble, podcasting. So people tend to be multi-platform. So sometimes they'll watch the show and then they'll check out the podcast and they'll check out the podcast and they'll watch the live show and listen to it on radio. So that is happening more and more and more. And the way that even some of these platforms like YouTube and Rumble are working, they're acting more and more like TV platforms. So you can watch it on your big screen at home and just watch Rumble that way. So everything's kind of moving that way. And what that's done is it's created an opening for alternative media to essentially be get almost a par in a lot of different ways with traditional forms of media. And the traditional forms of media had gatekeepers. very positive. They didn't want to work with conservatives as much. And there was implications when it came to advertisers and brands. So it tended to have a gatekeeper effect. That's all changed. Everything's different now. And if you look at the podcast list, guess what? The top podcast, which we're honored to be on that list all the time, is mostly conservatives. And then you got like the New York Times in MPR. It's about it. And Potsay of America, which is garbage. But that is the top is conservative personalities. And so that's just the way that things are happening. And it's having an impact now with Elon Musk buying Twitter and making it turn it into X. Our ideas are now have free reign to get in most places. Now there are some corners of the media ecosystem where we're not allowed still. And I think that, but you're seeing a big change. It is growing. And there are massive opportunities in the future. So, I would say, you know, all systems go. And one last point, I'll say, TikTok. We weren't even on TikTok about six weeks ago. Charlie is now doing 10 million views a day or more. We had for quite a day with 14 million views on TikTok. Those are conservative ideas, conservative debates, confronting ideas, and guess who's consuming it? 18 to 24-year-olds. And now they come up to him on campus to say, I love your TikTok. I love what you're doing. So HatTip to Ryan on our team who really pushed for that to happen and HatTip to Congress for the terrible Pfizer vote because that's when Charlie had had enough of the censorship regime and just had screwed up. We're going to get on TikTok. I don't want to anything else censored or banned or whatever. So data behind the next generation, getting more conservative, look at TikTok, look at the alternative media landscape where we're making big strides, Salem, Real America's voice, this show, a few others. we can point to real success in that way. Do you want to comment on the behind-the-scenes metrics or data points about the next generation that you've seen?
SPEAKER_02
36:20 - 37:04
I mean, I don't know any specific metrics, but what's clearly true overall, the word to go to is fragmentation. That all of media is just fragmented. It used to be you'd have your radio stations, and you would have nightly news on the networks, and you had Fox News. and like podcast didn't exist web media was in its infancy until you like mid 2000s and so now there's just an explosion so what really stands out now is now you can do things like I guess the simplest way to put it is if you want to create a show you can create a show yeah you can't create a show whether you can get an audience or not is the question and I think that's really the benefit of the new
SPEAKER_01
37:05 - 38:31
fragmentation, you know, you look at somebody like Don Laman, right? Don, Don Laman existed within a CNN box, and that was the reason his reason for being a known person, a known commodity, and then he gets removed from CNN, fired from CNN, and then starts an ex show. I have seen a few people making fun of the metrics there. So I don't think it would be a huge leap for me to say it's not been a huge success. He's struggling to find traction in that way. And that's really what this new marketplace of media, this fragmentation is creating is people that are worth watching and worth listening to. Their ideas are resonating. They find success and they find it pretty quickly. They grow pretty quickly. If you're an untowned hack that needs a built-in audience and hide behind a network It's not going to go so well for you. I think one of the more interesting points is like, you look at like Chris Cuomo on News Nation. He's, you know, all of a sudden you're hearing a lot about him because he's going after COVID. I think it's, I think it's fascinating to see what happens to a lot of these people that you assume are absolute hacks. And I'm not saying Chris Cuomo isn't an absolute hack. But he's, he's finding kind of a middle ground Blake that's, you know, he wouldn't have done if he was stuck behind a news desk at CNN.
SPEAKER_02
38:32 - 40:17
Yeah, but because it is fragmented, the ability for any one person to influence things is reduced. And there's pluses and minuses to that. I'll get sometimes get asked. Like, what do I think of this or that conservative media influencer? And I'll have enough to be honest and say, I've never watched them. I already work on one show. How many other shows do you want me to watch? And because there are a lot of them and there's good things in bad things. The good thing is basically anyone can get out there and there is an audience. You can really fine tune who you want to listen to. Find the one person who speaks the most to you. But it's much harder for anyone to set set in agenda. That was one of the reasons that like when Tucker was still on Fox, why that show was so valuable. Tucker's a super charismatic individual. He's a great host. He has a lot of fun stuff to say, but it was that he could also do that on Fox, and therefore it was on the one medium that really did just have five, 10 million people every single night who would bother to watch it. and that's why it was you know it was too bad he had there's merits to him being on his own now with his own show he has a lot more freedom in who he talks to he can go way longer all of that's great but there was that there is that downside that you don't have that person who's at eight p.m. every night setting an agenda that just millions of people will see by default And that's probably the biggest downside with the current generation of conservative media. Is if you do have a truly transcendent talent, they won't necessarily reach the same high that they would otherwise. But it's much harder to suppress a message. And especially with social media, that message can reach really widely. Even if they're show otherwise, maybe doesn't have the highest number of viewers.
SPEAKER_01
40:17 - 41:15
OK. I think we're going to get to two more questions before we have to go here. I'll start with this one. I love when Charlie hosts the show and I listen to all three hours daily plus that crimes. Well, thank you so much. Freedom night in America, et cetera. So Charlie and your team are part of my daily routine. That's wonderful to hear. However, I just wanted to say I also love when Andrew hosts. Well, that is very nice to hear. He is always so grateful and is constantly saying how thankful he is for the audience and to get to spend time with us on the show. I am extremely thankful for this audience. This audience is made the life I get to live possible. And I think we have the best audience in the movement and there's literally millions of you. And that blows my mind almost every day. I appreciate his positive attitude and want to say thank you to him. Well, thank you. And to Blake when he hosts while I love watching Charlie, Charlie, please don't take this the wrong way. I do enjoy getting different perspectives when he is away. Well, that's great. Blake, isn't that nice to hear? I think that's nice to hear. I just like that it's when they get to me.
SPEAKER_02
41:15 - 41:17
They're like, I like to hear a different perspective.
SPEAKER_01
41:19 - 41:53
Yeah, Blake is our resident contrarian, but honestly, I love that too because Blake challenges some of our ideas and makes them better. And sometimes we come out hot with a take and he's like, ah, what about this? And then we end up finding a more creative way through a problem that the country's facing or it's in the news. and it's elevated, uh, I think even more by that. Um, okay. Next question from McCell. Wouldn't it be beneficial for Trump to name his vice president now, so at least someone can be out campaigning while he is stuck in these frivolous trials, McCell? What do you think, Blake? Or is it Michael?
SPEAKER_02
41:53 - 43:18
Oh, whatever it is. Michael McCell. Michael. Uh, but. Okay. Uh, I think That is definitely an advantage. I often thought it would have been great if he picked it, picked his meat really early, like if he just gone all the way back in September, or it's sort of like February. When it was clear, these trials were going to be a big thing. Just get your surrogate out there, get him trained. There's another reason we, it's worth thinking about is now they've apparently agreed to a vice presidential debate in July, and that would be very shortly after the GOB convention. You'd just be taking your vice president and just throwing them right out there. having them get a little more formal prep just because they've been on the campaign for a while would probably be a decent idea. I think those are all be good reasons to pick it. That said, you do get a free news cycle boost when you announce who they are. There's a reason Trump picked Pence just before the RNC last time. He'll probably go for a similar pattern this time. You go in with that positive energy. You debut them at the RNC more or less to a national audience. Everyone gets all excited. conventionally there's a reason they do that but I personally do I think on balance it'd be better to have your feet out there sooner rather than later I don't know that there's a ton of benefit to waiting right now other than I guess you could say he has like 15 people acting as a surrogate right now because they all want the job So maybe he sees it as, uh, you can store my lines.
SPEAKER_01
43:18 - 43:50
Yeah. You stole my line. Yeah, that that was going to be my one counterpoint is you basically have Doug Bergham and Kristino and, uh, Leastafana and JD Vance and Vivek. All these guys vying for that spot, Dr. Ben Carson. Um, and they're all out working really hard. And if you pick a Veep, they won't have that incentive. And right now they're all just sort of this chorus of voices that are supporting you. So that's my angle. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Talk to you soon.